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Just now, RZNJ said:
They don’t have Mike Elias. Sox fans hate Reinsdorf and think Getz is just a carryover from the previous ineffective regime. They also won’t get the benefit we did from stinking with the new draft lottery rules. It doesn’t look good.
They also don't have the NYY, TOR, Red Sox, and Rays in their division either. F them. I have no sympathy for them.
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10 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
He turns 26 in June and they keep comparing him to Nick Madrigal. Ironically, they wanted the Dodgers #1 prospect, Michael Busch, who is already 26. There are so many contradictions, hypocrites, misinformation, and out and out lies on that board that it would make your head spin.
I mean SG seems to be accepting their premise, and saying they won't be "relevant for four years," which is ironic because he spent years screaming, "It doesn't need to take this long!" as Mike Elias turned the team around in.... checks notes.... four years.
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Just now, RZNJ said:
Now our board GM is trying to appease the WS board GM because they don’t want Ortiz. Oh boy! Lol
He's not a good fit or something. For reasons unexplained or unexplainable.
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14 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
I don’t think it’s that crazy of an ask.
Cowser, Ortiz, Povich, Fabián. It might be too much but I don’t think it’s bonkers.
One good point they’ve made. The bust rate on 40-100 type prospects is really high.
Yeah, that's bonkers and they will get nothing close to that.
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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
But why? They aren’t going to be relevant for at least 4 years. Ortiz will be pushing 30 at that point and will be well into his service time.
I find it hilarious that you of all people are saying they won't be relevant for 4 years when you routinely scalded Mike Elias and insisted it "doesn't need to take this long!" despite the fact that he turned this team around in..... wait for it.... four years.
Using that logic, nobody makes sense for them because they'll be "well into their service time."
Unless they want to play with 19 year olds in A ball. I've said from the beginning if they're that stupid, they should stop wasting our time.
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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
I actually think they are right about Ortiz. When you think about it, he doesn’t make a ton of sense for them unless he can turn into a trade piece either.
I don't see how that's true.
If he's what he projects to be, he's perfect for them.
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10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Trade offers:
1) Cowser and Ortiz
2) Kjerstad and Ortiz
3) Cowser, Ortiz and Povich
4) Kjerstad, Ortiz, Povich
5) Westburg, Beavers, Povich and Norby
Are you make some, all or none of those deals?
None. #5 is the best for the Orioles imo.
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2 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:
If they would have found a way to dump Chris Davis and his contract in the mid to late 2010s I certainly would have described it as a good move.
Sure.
If the Orioles had made a move today that wasn't about "getting better baseball wise" but was about "money" the people describing this move as "good" would be torching it. That's a simple fact.
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19 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Not every move is about getting better baseball-wise.
Would we describe a move the Orioles made that wasn't about getting better baseball-wise but only saving money as a "good" move?
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Just now, Sports Guy said:
I think it’s different because Westburg’s value should be higher because of his time in the majors. But the 2 players aren’t much different imo, at least in terms of expected overall production.
Yeah you give the edge to Westburg because of his ML performance, but as prospects they're very similarly valued.
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
I thought that at first because I think Westburg has the same value as those 2.
But I also feel great about having Ortiz, so if you had to deal both, would it be that much different than one of the Ofers and Ortiz?
Not too much different. And all of it way too much.
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11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
lol..the WS board doesn’t understand how we know that Mayo isn’t being dealt for Cease.
Tell them you're an insider.
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Just now, Frobby said:
I’m not very worried about any of them. But, I’d say our biggest potential weakness is 1B, because Mountcastle is inconsistent and O’Hearn may be a one-year fluke, based on his track record. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if Mountcastle had a career year.
Yeah, but you could just put Santander or Kjerstad (or Mayo) there. There are options.
It's why I went with CF. Besides Mullins, there aren't any good options.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I'm not saying the O's would have beat whomever they had faced in the playoffs but I think it's extremely likely that the Rangers don't make the playoffs without Montgomery. I like the O's chances better against whatever team they would have faced over the Rangers team that swept them.
To say that the O's scored one run is pretty meaningless, since, butterfly effect, they wouldn't have been facing the Rangers.
This is obviously with hindsight. It didn't take a crystal ball to see that more could have been done over what was done.
Again, the Montgomery trade worked out well for the Rangers.
It has no more bearing than the Glenn Davis trade on the relative merits of any prospective move facing the Orioles this offseason.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
Mostly keep the Rangers from facing the O's in the playoffs.
He'd probably start over Kremer in a playoff series.
The first part we're starting to get into a butterfly effect that I won't attempt to unravel.
Regarding the second, yeah, he probably starts game three for us. We scored one run. What are the odds he throws a shut out?
Then we're out Joey Ortiz, and we didn't improve our situation at all.
The Montgomery trade worked out well for the Texas Rangers.
It has absolutely no bearing on any moves the Orioles should be making.
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5 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Exactly. Even with hindsight a majority of the board wouldn’t have traded Joey Ortiz for Jordan Montgomery last year at the deadline.
Ok, I guess we're on the same page then. I was misreading the point you were trying to make.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
Without Montgomery the Rangers don't make the playoffs.
What's he do for the Orioles?
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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
With hindsight being 20/20, who here would’ve traded Joey Ortiz for Jordan Montgomery at last season’s trade deadline?
That should be the majority of the board’s reality check. And I like Joey Ortiz.
But you don't get to make moves with hindsight. That's reality.
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2 hours ago, HakunaSakata said:
The only place Mateo has any perceived trade value is on an Orioles message board.
In a world where Kiner-Falefa gets 2/15, Mateo has some trade value.
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20 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
About a month ago, the majority of the board was okay with Cowser + Ortiz. WS fans apparently want more. If Elias can get him for less than that more power to him. I think I’d prefer to keep Cowser over Fabian, Armbruester, Stowers, and ??
And a month before that, most of the board didn't want him at that price.
That's why most people are bad at poker.
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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
In time for opening day?
They won't be on the OD roster?
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1 minute ago, dystopia said:
I think it's fair for the White Sox to demand more than Ortiz as a headliner.
Demand in one hand and s in the other. See which fills up first.
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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:
They will get a feature piece better than Ortiz IMO. Saying that, I think they seriously underestimate what Ortiz would do for them. Tim Anderson in his years with the White Sox was -53 Rtot, -32 Rdrs, -31.6 UZR. OAA doesn’t hate him but having watched him over the years, he’s a careless and inconsistent shortstop and Ortiz would be a huge upgrade IMO.
They'll get something in Ortiz' range, but they won't get a guy who is just a clear cut level above, unless we give it to them with Cowser or Kjerstad.
We on this board have spent weeks negotiating against ourselves.
Let them go play with their 19 year old A ball pitchers and see how that works out for them.
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Joey Ortiz is the best thing they can get.
They can f off and cry more.
Cease vs everyone else
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Elias would have had his team in the playoffs in year 3 in the AL Central.
And that's starting from a much, much worse position than the White Sox are in right now.