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8 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:
I'm certainly not going comfortable signing a 30 year old pitcher to a 7 year contract, so if that's what the market brings him, I will thank him for his service and move on, especially since the Orioles have the prospect to still get his replacement if GRod or Bradish hasn't turned into him by then.
But if he would sign a 4-year extension, I think the Orioles have to consider it if he looks like the same guy this season.
I'd be willing to go 5 or 6 years at 30 million per, accepting that 1-2 of those years could be washouts for injury.
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11 minutes ago, Finisher said:
We have a real owner now who, y'know, can just sign a big arm.
This is the type of move you just have to if you're serious about winning a WS. You need this type of arm in the playoffs.
Now having said that, you're giving up a lot of years of control for one year. Also, Burnes was diminished last year whether we want to admit it or not. Velocity down, strikeouts down. Did make changes and course correct in the second half. This is a Houston in their prime type of acquire slightly diminished Ace and get them back to peak form. Also better stadium, defense, Adley handling.
This is true, but why not just sign the big arm now then?
Maybe this is a one-time bridge year trade. If so, it is what it is, but I don't love it. I do love having an arm like Burnes and I'd be willing to overpay both in terms of trade price and contract. You have to pay a premium at the top end of the food chain and I think we should to keep him.
But I don't like it as a 1-year approach.
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I just want to make sure my position on this is clear.
I want Elias to get his Verlander. Burnes could be that guy. The price is totally fine with me. I'd have even paid more. The reason I hesitate is because it's for 1 year, which means he's not our Verlander unless/until we extend him.
Let's say we lose him this year. Do we trade Tavera and McDermott for next year's Burnes? Even with our system, it's not a sustainable method of talent acquisition.
The good news is I believe Elias thinks Burnes is his Verlander. I think he thinks Rubenstein will try to re-sign him. I believe there's a good chance we do. If that happens, I'm also over the moon. It's just that, right now, all we have to go on with Burnes is his comments last year.
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I’m hopeful, but would prefer we signed Montgomery than get one year of Burnes for those two guys.
Ortiz and Hall could have been great pieces for us too. Even this year, especially Hall in our pen.
That said, if we resign Burnes, it’s a home run. As it stands though, we just put a lot of eggs into a one year basket in a sport littered with champions who got hot at the right time.
If we’re doing this, I think we need another high leverage reliever now.
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21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Then why would locking him into a probably very pricey extension make you feel better about it?
I love having his talent here, but I want him here for a long time. I get that everyone here sees it differently. It’s just a lot of risk for a one year contract.
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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
No.
A pick next draft is more valuable than a pick the draft after.
Also the 2024 pick is a lock, the 2025 pick is just a strong probability.
Of course the idea that the O's are a lock to get six years of ML service time out that pick is pretty amusing in its own right.
I just don’t like it for one year of control. Pitcher is the riskiest position.
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I might as well go on record that I don’t love this trade, unless we have a real chance to extend him. I do get it though.
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18 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
IMO …The Orioles would need to hold onto the advantage over the Gnats. I think Rubenstein and his team are smart and will figure out how to maintain it.
Hard to say. Leonsis would have to pay the O's for broadcast rights. I'm sure the O's will make the best deal they can, whichever way that goes.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:I hope Roch is staying. He deserves to write for an actual adult ran organization.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. I have a few points to make...
1. Journalism is dead or dying. If you're not at the top, you're struggling to get by. You need to get and keep a job. Roch did that.
2. Since it's a dying industry, it helps to have some kind of schtick. The streak was Roch's schtick. Not terribly important from a content perspective, but smart from an outsider's perspective. I'm sorry he ended it.
3. I don't get how people here spew hate at Angelos AND Roch. Roch was clearly not allowed to be an actual journalist. He did his job in light of how MASN has been run by the terribly thin-skinned Angelos family for years.
I'm not saying Roch's a great reporter or a perfect human, but I do remember him from a long time ago. He has actual personality and can actually write and report. But he got stuck in a tough profession and a tougher organization. I don't hate him for that. He also seems like a good family man, which I respect. I hope he can thrive under better management.
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42 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:
Why would Leonsis want to buy something that doesn't make any money or have any value? Really weird!
He wants to televise the O’s, Nats, Wizards and Caps. He’ll add football programming if possible too.
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10 minutes ago, rm5678 said:
Connor Newcombe on the Locked on Orioles podcast said he doesn't think this sale will have any impact on the rest of this current off-season, so I'm not getting too excited about Snell or Montgomery.
I listened to him, but don't agree with his reasoning. I think he makes assumptions and jumps to uninformed conclusions. Doesn't mean he's not right, but he recorded that as news was breaking and without any reporting about owner's meetings next week.
Personally, I wouldn't be shocked if things are pretty far along on this already and the agreement is approved by owners very quickly.
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Adley, Gunnar, Holliday, Basallo, Mayo, Rodriguez, Bradish...and Elias.
In a perfect world, even with rich owners, do we really think the O's will be able to extend them all? The Braves kind of did, but their future payrolls are really high.
Not to mention the new talent acquired through trades or free agency. Two days ago I had no interest in Woodruff. One year deals aren't for me. Now I could see a Glasnow type of trade/sign deal. Suddenly there's more options than Cease, or we could do a Glasnow type of deal with him.
For the first time in years, the O's will be open for real business. This will be fun.
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I appreciate John Angelos for the rebuild and preparing this team for sale. I suspect his brother suing helped that process too. Either way, when this deal is final, the Orioles will be in the best position of my life.
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This is beautiful. Comes with almost perfect timing.
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I'm here for the poker talk. Well, I have to run to meetings, but I'm here in spirit.
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22 hours ago, wildcard said:
Considering that Elias has seen how hard it is to acquire starters I hope he extends Means after he sees him in ST and before the season begins. I am hoping for a extension through the 2026 season..
Means is an interesting candidate. I was thinking one of the big two (Gunnar/Adley), but even Bradish and Grayson are interesting guys to consider.
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6 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
They aren’t going to extend anyone.
Just going on the record here as saying I think you're wrong about this. We'll see.
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1 hour ago, wildcard said:
Bradish, GRod, Means and Wells looks like good starters for the playoffs if managed correctly. If you think Bradish and GRod are not improving that is not a good bet.
I don't think there's any debate about whether the O's need to add one or more starters. They do. Elias has said he's looking for starters many times. He agrees that we can use more.
The question is what he gives up in cash, draft picks and trade assets. That's what he's actively navigating now, not a binary question of whether we need a starter. That answer is yes.
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40 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:
Maybe, but losing Franco is going to sting (no pun intended). And maybe one of Baz / Pepiot breaks out and replaces Glasnow's production, but it's far from a given.
I think the Rays are an amazing org, but they were crushed by injuries last year and that really hurts this season. They were still hard to beat, but I feel like this might be the year in between really good ones, where they "only" win like 88 games.
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A couple of other things that Elias said in that long interview.
1. They view Hall as a starter. What they don't know yet is whether they plan to stretch him out in the spring or throughout the year.
2. He's deliberately quiet about player extensions because he wants their agents to know that what's said behind closed doors will stay there. That doesn't mean that we'll extend anyone, but it offers a sliver of hope for those of us who think there's a real chance they extend 1-2 guys this spring.
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13 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
The reasons I might are John Angelos & Scott Boras
Put me in the category of stupid people who think we're extending Gunnar sometime in the next 8ish weeks.
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Judging by the vote, we’re either homers or we’d prefer the lower risk of position players over pitchers.
For me, it’s the latter and I think it colors my opinions over how much I’d give up for a 2-year pitcher.
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That's 14 guys that I'm very excited about, and doesn't include about 5 more that I'm also very excited about. Such a deep system.
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On 1/23/2024 at 2:54 PM, Moose Milligan said:
It's all about the health with him. If he stays healthy, I can see a 3.5 WAR season.
I'd like to see him batting leadoff.
Hard to ignore this, though.
49 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:I have a bad feeling about Cedric this year. Seems like the injuries are getting more frequent and the slumps longer. Looked absolutely gassed down the stretch and in the playoffs. Maybe he comes back fresh but right now I'd be pretty ecstatic for him to hit those projections.
I'd argue Mullins boom/bust spread is about as big as anyone's on the team. If he can stay healthy for a full year, I can see him putting up one more monster year (e.g., well above 3.5 WAR). If not, you're looking at 1.5-2.5 WAR like this year, or even worse if his decline is precipitous.
I don't necessarily buy the spring speed stuff. He clearly wasn't right for much of the year. I'm not saying that his speed isn't declining, but I don't think it is 100% declining as fast as it might look.
Orioles close to acquiring Corbin Burnes (Update: Acquired for Joey Ortiz and DL Hall)
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Do it.
You pay studs. You have to pay some studs if you want a team of studs. Some of that has to go to pitching. That's reality. Do it.