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1 minute ago, spleen1015 said:
All of these things and when you open the popular threads on the board, they're all negative. I'm just as guilty of this as anyone, but this org is in such good shape right now. There shouldn't be so much negativity around here.
Whether he was lucky or good, JA's complete rebuild has set this team up fabulously. I know some wanted spending sooner, and just more in general, but it's inarguable that the new ownership is inheriting a near-perfect situation. He has payroll flexibility, player assets, systems in place throughout the minors, a well-functioning international program and a team coming off a 101 win season. John Angelos deserves a ton of credit for that, even if Elias is the person who led the way.
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9 minutes ago, elextrano8 said:
But like, I do think that. I think that if you look at where we are today, the positives over PA's tenure outweigh the negatives. It's not an unreasonable take.
The Buck Showalter years definitely moderated the negativity around his ownership. It was really bad going into those years.
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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Everyone brings up the Boras stuff with Holliday but didn’t he sign as the #1 pick for less than what Druw Jones signed for?
So Holliday did already say just pay me fair and let me go play baseball. Then nobody’s wildest dreams would have predicted what he’s accomplished.
So the good will has been there on the Holliday side.
And this is kind of messing with his legacy. That ROY award matters in career milestones and the records he could flirt with. Now he doesn’t have that chance.
1. He didn't know he was going #1 overall. He likely negotiated that pre-draft from his perceived bargaining position.
2. Yes, he can still win the ROY award. Now if the O's keep him down for a significant amount of time, that would change.
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12 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
Right. But that doesn't make this board "the biggest Peter Angelos Fan Club" all of a sudden.
You're taking one post that was kind of weird and running with it, which is a bit obnoxious. I don't think many people at all think that Peter Angelos was a good owner, but to ignore the life he led and to focus on the one thing he got wrong is narrow minded and shows no interest in being honest.
But when you're a hammer, everything's a nail.
Lol. Isn't this what you're doing?
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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
I think there is a difference between advocating for an extension and being willing to sign one.
I think if you are going to throw this out, you are saying an extension is something they would hear the team out on and definitely look to get it done.
I think it would be disingenuous of him to say that this is a factor, only to turn around say, well my son is different..he’s not signing one of those.
Btw, I don’t think Holliday is being disingenuous. I think this is a positive personally.
You're reading it as he's open to an extension, which is why you think it's a positive.
I'm not reading it that way at all. I see a guy who understands what happened probably happened because he didn't have an extension, and he's fine with that.
We have no idea how new ownership will handle things, but I'd be much more positive about the likelihood of Holliday signing an extension if he was on the opening day roster. At least then I could make up tea leaves that they've had preliminary talks that give the O's some comfort. But he's not, so I read it as he's not indicating a willingness to re-sign anytime soon.
And all of that is speculation.
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This board can be such a wet blanket. If I have a nit to pick with the OP, it's the thread title. It should have been something like "O's get new ownership today, it's a great day to be an O's fan" or something like that.
This is a day we've been waiting on for 2 decades. I'm actually a big fan of what John Angelos did here, but his way will only work during a rebuild.
Today should be a joyous day. There's nothing wrong with rejoicing.
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43 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Nah. If his son isn’t willing to sign an extension, then it is disingenuous for him to bring that up as an example of why someone makes an OD roster and isn’t subject to being held back due to service time.
I 100% disagree with this point.
If they asked me about Jackson Holliday being up, I'd probably say exactly what Matt Holliday said. If he was already signed, he'd probably be up, but he isn't, so he's not.
Just because Matt is the source doesn't mean there's a hidden meaning that he wants to extend. It's just an objective assessment of the system baseball has in place. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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16 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:
I hear ya...I just dont know that I've heard people on this page or just Oriole fans in general talk about what an amazing hire she has been for this organisation...if you or others have mentioned it...Im sorry...I didnt see it..
I've seen people predict that Elias gets the President title and she gets the GM title.
Honestly, I think Elias has built a juggernaut front office just like he has young talent. The top 3 are well known, but I bet they'll be fine if one or two of the top 3 leave. That said, I obviously hope Elias remains here for a long time to steer the ship.
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13 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
His exact wording was..if he was under contract like…
If he’s going to mention that, it should be a put your money with your mouth this type thing.
Matt Holliday is a savvy former player. He chose his words carefully. He's not being disingenuous. You're just reading into his words what you want them to mean.
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Maryland high schools have been playing already. The weather sucks, but it's better than not having baseball.
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The only issue I have with the OP is it implies that we don't already acknowledge her. Maybe we don't enough, but she gets a lot of notoriety amongst the nerdiest Orioles fans.
She's a really impressive interview for sure, and seemingly quite important in the front office.
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17 hours ago, LookinUp said:
@justD gave us a new person to be interested in through the Amateur forum. Thanks!
As for Basallo, I'm expecting that everyone will be mad that Silas Ardoin makes the opening day roster next year instead of him. He's the next Holliday/Mayo in terms of timetable, IMO.
By the way, I meant to link to @justD post about Michael Forret...
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14 hours ago, Keygans said:
Exactly. No such thing as a bad 1 year deal in any sport .
Well, 2 years with a player opt-out after 1 isn't a 1 year deal. It puts the team on the hook for $20+ million in a year that could theoretically be missed with injury. That's a real risk for a #3 starter.
I do love the idea of him in our rotation though. Burnes, Montgomery, Rodriguez, Means, Bradish allows us to spread out the righties/lefties, move all of Kremer, Wells and Irvin to the pen, etc. Assumes perfect health, but that's a hell of a plan.
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On 3/8/2024 at 2:33 PM, justD said:
Just watched this young man pitch over at the Twin Lakes facility. They had him up twice. He was just mowing guys down, mixing pitches, several swing-and-miss. Myself and a gentleman whose kids played ball with EBJ were really enjoying watching him.
I’m boarding a plane soon but may be able to post video soon-ish of what I could capture.
@justD gave us a new person to be interested in through the Amateur forum. Thanks!
As for Basallo, I'm expecting that everyone will be mad that Silas Ardoin makes the opening day roster next year instead of him. He's the next Holliday/Mayo in terms of timetable, IMO.
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28 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
Yes I just stated/acknowledged this reality in my post above. Really no one/no org can.
However, I would hate for your last sentence to be true. Why would we not be able to do big extensions when teams like the Royals, Rays, Guardians, etc have?
It's not that we won't do any extensions, it's that we won't be able to do them all and Boras's clients are the least likely to get them, IMO. So you extend the clock. I hate it, but I get the business side of it.
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20 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
I do not disagree with any of the bolded.
The first sentence, would probably be less of an issue with Holliday and others if we would make serious financial investments in the club's longer term future in the form of extensions.
I hope that changes under new ownership.
If we were just talking about Holliday, I'd agree. However, he comes after Adley, Gunnar, Rodriguez and Bradish. Following him are Mayo, Basallo and lord knows who else.
Long story short, they're not going to be able to pay all of these guys to stick around even if they have a large influx of money. I personally think what we're seeing is this org extending the competitive window as much as possible knowing that they won't be able to do it by paying guys big extensions.
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53 minutes ago, jamalshw said:
That's the thing that makes this so weird. If he comes up in a few weeks and ends up top-2 for ROY they don't get the extra year anyway...nor do they get a pick if he wins it now.
I hate this decision. That said, I suspect Sig's sexy models say an extra year of Holliday and Mayo in 2030 (or whatever year it is) is more valuable than the #34 draft pick in the 2025 draft.
Unless this really is just a gaming of the roster for the first series of the year versus LHPs. I doubt that though.
I do wonder if this is also an indication that the O's have approached either of these two in particular about extensions and not finding common ground.
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28 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said:
Unless they can't live without his defense, I'd prefer they found a trade partner for Urias to find Mayo his spot.
I just don't understand any other possibility. Urias is the elephant in the room.
O'Hearn is LH. Mateo has speed and can play outfield.
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45 minutes ago, emmett16 said:
Huh? McKenna is a career .5 WAR player in 447 ABs. In a little over double that Urias is a 7.6 WAR player. He's far above McKenna and not close to a scrub. Urias shows up and puts up numbers consistently on both sides of the ball. McKenna is a defensive replacement who is prone to being an airhead at times.
McKenna is a career 74 OPS+ vs. Urias 106 OPS+
Your last comment checks, I'd like to move on from him also, but let's not treat him like he's chopped liver.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. I don't equate McKenna and Urias in terms of value on a sheet of paper. However, for this team, I'd argue their place on the team provides negative value on paper when considering the people they'd be keeping from the team.
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27 minutes ago, interloper said:
I think it's just that McKenna is a DFA candidate, and Urias is not. He is, however, a trade candidate. So who knows, they may yet send him out to get Mayo in.
I know he's not a DFA guy, but he's a guy that I'd be motivated to trade. Someone would make a deal. You're not getting premium value, so it shouldn't be hard to agree on a profile of a guy and make a trade.
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It just feels to me like this board is giving Urias much more credit than he's worth. I like the guy, but he's not far above McKenna in my personal book. He's a useful non-scrub.
I don't see any reason to keep him over a guy who is ready and seriously profiles as a future stud.
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4 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:
Hitter every time. It is tough to ever consider a pitcher as a #1 prospect.
Just look at the pitchers who have been Baseball America's #1 prospect since 1990:
Daisuke Matsuzaka, Josh Beckett, Rick Ankiel, Brien Taylor, Todd Van Poppel and Steve Avery.
The hitters who have been BA #1 prospects since 2010:
Jackson Holliday, Gunnar Henderson, Adley Rutschman, Wander Franco, Vlad Guerrero, Jr., Ronald Acuna, Andrew Benintendi, Corey Seager, Kris Bryant, Byron Buxton, Jurickson Profar, Bryce Harper (2x) and Jason Heyward.
Profar and Benintendi are the only players on that list who aren't bonafide stars (besides Holliday and Franco due to extenuating circumstances). Generational pitching talents flame out regularly. Best case scenario they win you a World Series first like Strasburg, but often times they don't.
Josh Beckett in 2007 is the type of guy you dream on. His career was just good overall, but he was a dog in the playoffs for that team that won the World Series.
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26 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
“Hopefully late April,” to me sounds like “but probably late June.”
I’m not banking on anything from Means this season. If he gives some good innings along the way, that’s a bonus.
He was much better than I expected last year. I know it was a small sample size, but a really low WHIP, also a really low K rate. I'm sure the numbers were about to normalize.
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38 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:
I would take having Skenes over someone like Cowser or Kjersted but not Holliday.
I am sure Skenes will have TJ surgery eventually
I think this is a good point. I'm asking for a comparison between a just turned 20 #1 prospect in baseball, not a #20-40 level prospect. I'm sure people who say "always take the hitter" are referring to similarly tiered prospects.
I still think I'd go with Skenes and accept that he'll pitch 1/5 days and miss 2 of 6 years due to injury. I just love that he'll likely be a workhorse starter who helps the bullpen and needs fewer runs/less defense behind him to be successful, and then you have him for the playoffs too, in theory.
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Well, if you pick the right start/end date, they were the winningest team in baseball over like a 4 year period.
Still, all I'm saying is that success moderated the negativity. I'm certainly not here to defend PAs ownership.