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2 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
IMO Baker and Baumann are decent/league averageish type relievers, Coulombe is a touch better. And of course we have the two elite guys at the end. The rest are not any good at all and are guaranteed to allow base runners.
Yeah, I forgot to include Coulombe. Seems like Baker has been more reliable than Baumann -- both have a place on this team I think.
I think we can agree this staff needs at least two more pitchers -- hopefully Grayson will be one of them. It would be nice if Means is the other but we can't count on that.
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Just now, Bemorewins said:
If this game isn’t evidence that we don’t have a good bullpen minus 2 and 1/2 guys, I don’t know what is.
Baker is pretty good. The obvious problem is the health of Givens and Tate. We need at least one additional reliever in addition to an effective Grayson. Or we need a another starter + Grayson and push one or two of Kremer/Irvin/Gibson to the bullpen.
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Just now, dystopia said:
I don’t care that he made an out. It was moronic to pitch to him.
I disagree because right behind him is Jorge Soler who happens to have 24 home runs. Miami is not some pushover team. O's played quite well against a good team until that last inning.
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1 minute ago, vab said:
Elias would be arrested and thrown in prison for that kind of stealing.
Trout is owed well over $200 million over the next 7 years -- and he's definitely past his prime. If the O's picked up all -- or even most -- of his salary I don't think it would be stealing. But considering how many suitors Ohtani will have then, yes, the O's may need to offer another good prospect as well.
And though Ohtani would be a rental, there is a slim chance he re-sign with the team that trades for him. First thing I would do is give him a tour of Babe Ruth's birthplace.
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Shohei Ohtani, Mike Trout and Carlos Esteves for Colton Cowser, Connor Norby, Ryan Mountcastle, Chayce McDermott and Drew Rom.
O's get Ohtani and closer Esteves as rentals, and O's get the glory (hopefully) of getting Mike Trout to play the playoffs (if not this year then next).
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Not a memorable game for Westburg or Cowser. We'll need more from Cowser especially if Mullins is out for a bit.
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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
Arraez is amazing.
I couldn't believe it when I found out Minnesota traded him. Last year too seemed like he was the best pure hitter in the league. Apparently the Twins offered him a longer team contract and he refused, which prompted them to trade him. Still, he isn't a free agent until 2026.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I know Peter would have pushed hard to stay with the Yankees and Red Sox.
Those guranteed ticket sales meant more to him than winning.
I can't see how the Orioles would not be in a division with the Yankees. Geographically, I think only the Mets and Phillies are closer to the Yankees than the Orioles.
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4 minutes ago, Pat Kelly said:
Frustrating thing about Mountcastle is he will probably make an adjustment after the Os move him. Just unable /unwilling to do it now. He just doesn’t fit with the approach most of the team has bought into.
Can't see what team would want him -- he's that bad now. Maybe Houston as bad as Abreu has been this year. Even the bad teams have first basemen as better or as good as Mountcastle this year.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Interesting they brought a lefty in to face him.
Maybe they prefer another lefty againt Mountcastle than the O's responding with O'Hearn to a righty. Worked out for them.
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5 minutes ago, Malike said:
If it happens it will be the first time Bautista has ever done that in his career, so I'd say 100% no chance.
Great reverse jinx. Thank you.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I used to turn on their broadcast when they were losing so I could laugh at him pout.
Oh yes, when the O's or any other team hit a home run off the Sox his dejected silence was like music.
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13 hours ago, waroriole said:
Red Sox should be a lot higher. What do people have against the White Sox?
I couldn't stand the White Sox mostly because of Hawk Harrelson. He was the worst, most homer color commentator of them all.
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2 minutes ago, Baltimorecuse said:
I agree that shortstops of that era were carried for defense. I find it impossible to believe he was 41 times better defensively than the average shortstop.
What do you mean 41 times better? Do you mean is career dWAR is 41 above the average shortstop? If so that doesn't mean he's 41 times better -- it means that defensively he is valued at 41 wins more than the average shortstop over his entire career. And he played for about 18 seasons, which is another reason it's so high.
You do raise an interesting point about WAR and one of the confusing things about it. I'm no stats expert by any means, but I think WAR loses its value when comparing players from different eras. Belanger's WAR is really relevant against other players of his era. I doubt WAR really has much value or meaning when comparing a player's skills from 4 or 5 decades ago to one from today. I think it's designed to measure players against others in their own era -- not all eras.
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4 minutes ago, Baltimorecuse said:
Yeah, I did. Mateo is easily as good.
Even if that's true, I'm not sure what your point is. When Belanger played there weren't many shortstops that were good hitters. Up the middle it was all about the defense back then. The combination of great hitting and great up the middle defense back then was quite rare. Even at second base the Orioles had several weak hitters for a number of years.
That started to change in the late 70s and 80s with the arrival of Cal Ripken and other players around the league who were good enough up the middle defensively (though not Belanger good).
So nowadays, after Ripken, A-Rod, Tejada, Lindor, etc etc came along it's not acceptable for a starting shortstop to not be a decent hitter. It's generally true now for all positions except pitchers.
Back to Mark Belanger, his top dWAR years (according to Baseball Reference) began in his late 20s. So it appears his peak years defensively were in his late 20s to mid 30s. Mateo is 28 now, so maybe like Belanger he could get even better a defense like Belanger did -- but Mateo won't be given the chance to start in this era unless he can show he can pretty well on a consistent basis.
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55 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
On the other hand Red Sox fans were already obnoxious before 2004 and they were completely over the top in 2005 after finally winning.
I have to admit I still kind of like the Red Sox if for no other reason than stealing the Yankees' thunder for the past 20 years. We all want that thunder back for the O's and not just for a couple of seasons.
I remember one or two Red Sox fans in the 70s and 80s living in Maryland that were always yacking about the Red Sox. But it was pretty easy to shut them up back when the Orioles were winning the AL East a lot and even a World Series here and there. I felt their frustration. The Red Sox were usually good back then -- just not good enough to win the big one.
I felt like in 2004 Sox fans had a right to be over the top. I was cheering for them. There are 15 million people in New England (though of course maybe half of Connecticut are Yankees and Mets fans). That's a pretty big fan base to celebrate over 80 years of futility.
It's when they kept winning more World Series after that -- and when the Patriots started winning (not to mention the Celtics and Bruins) -- that the Red Sox started to feel a bit like the Yankees. I still hate the Yankees and even the Blue Jays more than the Red Sox.
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40 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
I was at Fed Ex field for a Redskins vs Eagles Monday Night Football game about 20 years ago, and alot of Eagles fans came down packed in busses and a Winnebago. They all gathered around the area leading through the parking lot towards the stadium. Some Eagles fans were on top of the Winnebago with a bullhorn, taunting Redskins fans, and one of them spit on some Redskins fans passing by below them.
I was walking to the game with my group of friends and I had a Darrell Green jersey on and they all had some gear to support the Redskins. Some Eagles fans from the crowd threw a full sized drink with a Styrofoam cup that hit me in the back, and there was almost a brawl between our entourage and the large crowd of Eagles fans. The Eagles fan crowd was also chanting "A$$hole" at groups of Redskins fans.
It was then that I had written off Philadelphia sports fans as being even worst than Yankees fans.
Wow, even 20 years ago they were still scumbags -- and on the road? I think the Eagles fans especially are -- or at least were -- a different kind of subhuman. Maybe the old school Fliers fans too. I used to pity them for having to be fans of teams from Philly. Constant losing and getting their asses kicked by every other team every single year made them animals. But I think Philly fans have maybe mellowed a bit -- I hope. My family lived in the Philly suburbs when I was very little. Thank God they moved to Maryland
I live in the LA area, and it used to be that for a long time the only MLB stadium that was still considered kind of dangerous was Dodger Stadium. You'd get crap thrown at you for wearing the hat of an AL team that wasn't even in town and rarely ever was. That all changed when that one Giants fan was nearly killed in the stadium parking lot. After that the LAPD was everywhere and cleaned all the gangstas and criminals out at the drop of a hat. It's a much better environment now -- though I haven't been to a game there since before the pandemic.
But I remember as a kid back in the late 70s and early 80s when Yankees came to Memorial Stadium there was a fight somewhere in the stands nearly every game -- usually several fights. I don't think anybody got seriously hurt but O's fans were ready to throw down with visiting Yankees fans in those days. We just shrugged and accepted it as normal back then. The good old days!
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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I don't think Eddie was all that likeable at a National level.
The O's were also dead in the heart of the PED scandal. They just managed to lose despite juicing.
Remember Grimsley? The Congressional finger wag? Gibbons and Roberts?
True, but I think nobody other than O's fans remember Grimsley and Gibbons. Like you suggest, they probably don't remember because they weren't that good and the O's were not good. And I think people tended to believe Roberts when he said he tried it once and then never did it again -- though maybe I'm wrong.
The former Oriole cheater everyone remembers is Rafael Palmeiro, but he was a Texas Ranger as much an Oriole.
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7 minutes ago, TheDeau52 said:
I live just south of Philly. Mets are their most hated baseball team. I went to an Os vs Phils game in Philly in 2009 and was being heckled with my Miguel Tejada jersey. I turned and said, “we haven’t done anything to each other since the 1983 World Series, but we can all agree the Mets suck.” They went wild and bought me beers. So I’m willing to bet the entire state of Pennsylvania east of Pittsburgh voted for the Mets.
Good story. And probably safer than retorting that the O's made quick work of the Phillies in the 1983 World Series. I think the most scared I've ever been was going to a Redskins/Eagles game at the old Vet stadium when I was 12 years old in the early 80s. I didn't dare cheer for the Redskins at that game (not a Skins fan anymore but back then I sure was). But those were different times.
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55 minutes ago, emmett16 said:
The Red Sox are way more obscure than their fan base would allow you to believe.
I dunno. There are a ton of Red Sox fans here on the West Coast -- or at least there were when it was especially trendy to be a fan when they were going for the first WS title in 86 years (or however long it was). Maybe not so much anymore. I don't see as many Red Sox hats as I used to.
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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:
Sure, they are a feel good story. They make the playoffs for a few years in a row and the number will drop.
I also notice a lot of the top teams have exciting, young players on them. I don't think that's a coincidence.
1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:Another thing. The Orioles have tended to more likable players than a lot of other teams -- like Brooks Robinson, Jim Palmer, Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken -- and now Adley. And the O's were not at the center of the PED scandals the way other teams were.
Also fans of the Yankees and Red Sox don't see the O's as rivals like they used to in the good old days. For years they've seen the O's as door mats -- except briefly when Showalter was here. But even then we didn't get that far in the playoffs. It's not like the Cubs, Giants, Cardinals, or Red Sox. I live in California, and Dodger fans hate the Giants more than ever after winning 3 World Series in 5 years. How dare they! Cubs fans hate the Cardinals for obvious reasons but so do a lot of Braves fans and lots of others who think the Cardinals always got the close calls. Cardinals and White Sox fans hate the Cubs. And we know about the Red Sox. Frankly, I'm a little bit surprised the Braves ranked so high.
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26 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
Likely Cubs fans all voting for the Cardinals as the most hated team.
Maybe Cubs fans are the reason the White Sox ranked so high (low) too. Cubs and White Sox and their fans do not like each other. I doubt their poor ranking is because of the 1919 World Series.
I was surprised the Mets are so hated -- but then a lot of Yankees fans probably dislike the Mets more than ever these days now that the Mets are often outspending the Yankees, stealing their thunder and even occasionally just better than the Yanks. I'm sure Braves and Phillies fans hate the Mets more than ever too -- even though the Mets are kind of a mess this year.
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8 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. definitely is not the fielder that his namesake was. Sr could gun down a baserunner from right field.
Vlad Jr. may be the most overrated player in the game right now. The only reason he made the game is because of Blue Jays fans stuffing the ballot box. Every time I see his face I miss his dad.
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1 hour ago, NCRaven said:
Used to love when the Orioles would play charity basketball games against local school faculty members. Awesome time. Palmer and Murray were excellent.
I went to at least one of those at Howard High School, Ellicott City. Palmer was done doing that by the time I went. Eddie was there but don't remember who else.
Sunday, July 16: Orioles vs Marlins
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If the O's add two starters (presumably Grayson and someone from a trade), then you can move two of Irvin/Kremer/Gibson (or even Wells if there are concerns about his pitch count as a starter) to the bullpen -- and do the occasional start.
But yeah maybe the O's really should target a bullpen specific arm. I can't see the O's adding Grayson and trading for two pitchers (a starter and a reliever), but maybe that is the ideal way to go. If we get lucky enough that Givens or Means is also ready next month or the month after then even better.