EddeeEddee
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1 minute ago, Bemorewins said:
Where did you see this?
Also, why would we do this?
Seriously? Maybe substitute Norby or someone else for Westburg, but that would be a trade that's very difficult not to make. Kjerstad can rake but sounds like he has no position. Cowser and Hall don't appear to be able to help the O's win now.
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Doubt he gets too many more chances this season if he doesn't show something in the next several games. I think even in the minors he had a high strikeout rate. Hope he breaks out in the next game or two.
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Just now, Frobby said:
Manny’s original contract was a winner for the Padres. Last winter’s extension was foolish.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
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No reason to be embarrassed and maybe only slightly proud.
I liked Manny in Baltimore, but he did become kind of a distraction -- and glad we don't have anything close to the insane contract the Padres gave him. It's a sucker contract. Losing Manny was a lot easier than losing Mike Mussina in my opinion, though different situations.
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2 minutes ago, Number5 said:
There was once an NFL trade where a team (I think maybe the Redskins) traded a draft pick that they had already traded in another deal. Trade was either reworked or voided. Don't remember exactly. There was also a MLB trade where a guy was traded for a player to be named later -- that turned out to be himself!
Yeah that's the kind of trade I meant. The old Dan Snyder trade a guy who's already traded trade.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
I don't think the Padres are going to let the O's trade them Hall twice in the same trade.
Ouch, didn't see he was already in there. Wow that's a lot. Ok then Cowser, Kjerstad and Cole Irvin or Cade Povich.
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16 minutes ago, Orioles Jim said:
The O's should throw in Cowser, Kjerstad and DL Hall and get back Soto too.
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2 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
Now the Padres are back to taking calls for Hader and Snell, and even allow a 10% opportunity for teams to make a trade for Soto.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings?t=trades-and-transactions
I don't think the Padres even know what they want to do. Because what they want to do (win the World Series) is not a possibility and the owner gathered all this debt a year ago thinking it would be easy. They could also be attempted some haggling tactics to drive up the price for any would-be suitors who are interested in mentioned players.
Trading Soto now would be a great, needed move for the Padres. I can't see the O's getting in on it though they could certainly use him. Maybe the Twins, Brewers or Blue Jays pursue him? Can't see the Padres trading him to the Giants or anyone else in the NL West that could use him, though it's possible.
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5 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
Is Eduardo Rodriguez a Hall of Fame contender? Is he not available?
Would you rather have him or Quintana?
Eduardo is a tricky one because he may or may not opt out on the last three years of his contract. I can't see the O's trading for him unless they're sure he opts out; otherwise those last three seasons make it more difficult to assess his trade value. Also, he hasn't pitched as well since he came back from the IL.
Quintana has pitched well since he's come back but on a very small sample size. I'm sure the Tigers I'm sure are asking for a decent amount more for Rodriguez than the Mets are for Quintana. I think that makes Quintana a more realistic option, though yeah I think I'd rather have E Rod. I think it's more likely other teams will outbid the O's for ERod, though unlikely for Quintana.
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16 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Not sure how this helps us, outside of Robertson.
Well, one of his proposals is just David Robertson + $3.5 million for just Connor Norby. I'm not pretending to be an expert on trade value equivalencies, but this trade sounds close to reality if not ideal.
Norby probably has no future on the O's unless he quickly turns into a stud outfielder. Now unless there's a better option for Norby, such as maybe Josh Hader or someone else under control beyond the season, it seems like a pretty good trade for the O's. Robertson is only a rental but so are most other trade candidates being thrown around. Maybe Norby is too much even for a rental in Robertson, but the idea of targeting Robertson makes so much sense.
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Just now, Bemorewins said:
I would be interested in Robertson. The other two that’s a big no thanks for me!
You only want players who are Hall of Fame contenders or not available. This guy's proposals are more grounded in reality.
Canha helps in CF while Mullins and Hicks recover. I can understand the hesitancy on Quintana, but numbers wise over the past year he's been as about as good as any of our best current starters. As important, if this is writer is in the ballpark, the cost to the Orioles would be pretty small in prospects and the team would get back a lot of money to reinvest later.
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Here a pretty interesting write-up that suggests the O's trade with the Mets. There are a few different proposals that mostly revolve around the Mets sending David Robertson, Jose Qunitana and/or Mark Canha to the O's for some combination of prospects like Connor Norby, Cesar Prieto and DL Hall. The Mets would eat some salary too.
https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/the-baltimore-orioles-are-the-new-york-mets-dream-trade-partner/
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9 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:
Ohtani proceeds to immediately through a complete game 1 hitter the day after the Angels pull him off the market. He's kind of good.
Well, it's against the weak hitting Tigers, but yeah still impressive.
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46 minutes ago, Hallas said:
Colossally dumb if they don't sell off their rentals. They can reload in the offseason. They still have Soto for another year, and as long as they have Tatis and Machado signed and performing they're never far from contention. This year they're too far out of it to make a run for it.
Yeah they're too far out of it -- even further than other fringy teams like the Angels and the Cubs. Even if they hope to re-sign one or both of them it makes no sense to hang on to two pitchers with such strong trade value.
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18 minutes ago, baltfan said:
Jim Bowden proposed this.
Marlins trade RHP Edward Cabrera to Orioles for INF Jordan Westburg
Seems at least interesting.
Don't see why the O's would want Edward Cabrera and his 4.74 ERA. Maybe he's a good depth guy but not what we need for a playoff push.
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6 minutes ago, interloper said:
What about, dare I say, Cobb?
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/giants-starters-drawing-trade-interest.html
The Giants currently hold a wildcard spot and are only 3 games behind the Dodgers for the division lead. I can't see them trading any of their better players though they do need an infielder.
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1 hour ago, Ridgway22 said:
Angels could have sold Ohtani off for a haul. Kept their prospects, and rebooted. Now, if they fail in the playoffs (if they even make it), they're faced with what MurphDogg said above. If I was a fan. I'd be scratching my head, and would not be pleased.
I think that was true last season or in the offseason, but I suspect the Angels realized they would not get what they were wanted for 2 months of Ohtani. So they changed course and decided to go for broke instead. Still I think most Angels fans love the move even if it feels hopelessly too little too late to anyone not an Angels fan. They could get a few unlikely lucky breaks and somehow get in.
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1 hour ago, Ridgway22 said:
Angels could have sold Ohtani off for a haul. Kept their prospects, and rebooted. Now, if they fail in the playoffs (if they even make it), they're faced with what MurphDogg said above. If I was a fan. I'd be scratching my head, and would not be pleased.
I think that was true last season or in the offseason, but I suspect the Angels realized they would not get what they were wanted for 2 months of Ohtani. So they changed course and decided to go for broke instead. Still I think most Angels fans love the move even if it feels hopelessly too little too late to anyone not an Angels fan. They could get a few unlikely lucky breaks and somehow get in.
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59 minutes ago, Winter said:
Its still a win for the Orioles that Ohtani wont be on the Rays, Yankees, Blue Jays, RSox, Twins, Rangers, Astros down the stretch and in October.
Or any National League team either if the O's can make it that far.
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The Phillies are a good team, obviously. Not surprised we lost with that O's lineup and a lefty on the mound. We could have won two out of three if Bautista had closed last night, but oh well.
Bradish is not going to pitch great every game, and he's not the problem with this team. We need another bullpen arm and if possible another starter. We also need a bat, preferably in the outfield.
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I can't see Cowser getting traded during the season unless the O's traded for another outfielder. We lack depth in the outfield right now with Mullins and Hicks banged up.
I also can't see Westburg traded during the season either unless the O's are comfortable promoting Ortiz or Norby very soon.
If we're talking about a trade deadline deal, I think the obvious trade pieces for a solid starting pitcher with one or more years under control are Kjerstad and Ortiz and at least one or more of Povich/Seth Johnson/DL Hall and a couple of non Top 10 players. Same thing for an elite bullpen arm with multi years under control. I'm not saying the O's want to trade any of these guys, but I think they would for a strong pitcher with multi years under control.
Doubtful a TOR type pitcher with multi years is available (unless it's a former TOR who is now old and expensive like Scherzer or Verlander). If so, then teams will likely ask for Coby Mayo/Basallo type players as well (or in place of Kjerstad and Ortiz). The O's should resist trading these guys for elite pitching, at least before the offseason.
Holliday will not get traded unless it's for a player that no one would trade -- like Acuna.
For rentals then obviously the return is pared down significantly. I can't see the O's parting with Kjerstad, Mayo or Basallo for anyone except maybe Ohtani, but even then I very much doubt it.
Some teams, mainly buyers, may target players like Ramon Urias or Cole Irvin. I don't think they should be traded during the season unless their role and production is replaced in a corresponding or separate trade.
After the season most of this would be a different story.
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3 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
With tomorrow's left handed pitcher, I'd rather start Westburg at shortstop with Urias at 3B, and even Frazier at 2B than I would play Mateo with how bad he's slumping in every possible category of baseball right now.
If Hyde has any reason to allow Mateo any more playing time it's when the O's are facing a lefty. His OPS against lefties for the season is just under .800, and I think his last two hits were doubles off lefties Shane McClanahan and Julio Urias. I'd be surprised if he's not starting Wednesday.
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for Gunnar's lower back (and the rest of him).
At least Mateo is much better against lefties, and it looks like the Phils will be starting one tomorrow.
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1 minute ago, Alasdaire said:
If you think Frazier has tapped into something that overrides the years of career production/trajectory that Frazier has behind him, then that's fair. I guess I just don't. Maybe I'm wrong and he senses the moment in his career and realizes his full potential. Hope that happens if he's kept on the roster.
But my stance on Frazier is that I would not want him starting, pinch hitting, or in the field in a playoff game. And I do not want Adam Frazier blocking prospects next year. I don't think he does anything that we can't replace now and exceed later.
What I'm suggesting is probably unrealistic because of the optics of getting rid of him when he has ostensibly done nothing wrong while Mateo is floundering. But as between him and Mateo from the bench, I think Mateo provides more value.
We all know Frazier is flawed, but he's successful in the right pitching matchup and has a clutch quality to him. I think pinch hitter is exactly what he suited for depending on the pitching matchup. In the field is where is obviously less than ideal.
Mateo on the other hand seems to be bad at everything now except still occasionally effective against left-handed pitchers.
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
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We have several good OF prospects aiming for 2025, don't we? Beavers, Fabian, Haskin... Mullins isn't a FA until 2026 I don't believe. Santander could be gone, but he's not ideal in the outfield anyway. I'm thinking the Padres would maybe want a bit more than that package for Snell, Hader and Soto, but for me other than Westburg that's a difficult trade not to make. Cowser looks really raw, Kjerstad is reportedly bad in the field, and DL Hall is still not back in MLB and who knows when he will be. I think we have plenty of other minor leaguers to trade in case we need more outfielders. The big problem is that Snell and Hader are rentals, but Soto is a beast at the plate. You do make a good point about his defense, but maybe he could rotate in and out of DH. I just can't imagine not wanting Juan Soto especially when he would have an extra year and we need an outfielder. Maybe we could trade them someone else in place of Cowser and Westburg -- like Norby and Beavers? I don't know but I'd love to have those three guys.