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They are for the O's.

It was a solid trade that teams going to the playoffs need to make. I think adding Miller moved the needle and a lot of the times you have to give up value to get that. To me the biggest issue was that they didn't keep Miller and instead kept O'Day.

I'm still fine with the Erod for Miller deal.

I didn't name him. He ticked off a lot of folks in Japan recently by being himself.

Other than maybe the one that just ticked off the country he's currently living in?

Sure, but what we do know doesn't seem promising. They certainly could have done more.

Huh? They won more games than they were expected to and they also scored more runs than they were expected to(from Baseruns). How is that using the best of both worlds? Both statements are true, they both exceeded their pythag, which is based on RS/RA and also scored more runs than their offense would indicate. Since neither of those have been shown to be sustainable they are not likely to continue into next season. This article is from Sept 20. Being lazy I'll extrapolate it over 162. The 2023 Orioles scored 807 runs, they should have scored 775 runs. (It's off a bit since I'm being lazy and the O's actual runs scored were down from that point in the season). If you plug 775 RS and 678 RA into the system you get a .556 WP, or 90 wins. That's the same record as the Rangers and one up on the Blue Jays, two up on the Mariners. That may or may not have been a WC team. No idea why I just wasted five minutes doing that when I know you won't pay any attention to it. Maybe someone else will appreciate it. Edit- Now I see Frobby addressed this as I was working on it and had an easier answer. Oh well.

Team's actual W/L record exceeded their expected wins Team's actual runs scored exceeded their projected runs scored That's the two big ones really. Now you can feel free to discount both of them but they are realistic reasons to project the team to win substantially fewer games.

What I'm a saying is that he could have made a deal that would have strengthened the team for the playoffs that would not have cost him a "blockbuster" level of return and instead decided on a couple of long shots to improve the team.

I'd say there is a pretty significant gap between "blockbuster" and what he did at the deadline last season.

I'm sure that will be great for the 2053 club.

Frazier took the clutch X factor with him.

Why is that a problem? I think there is a pretty fair shot that six years of Westburg is going to produce more value than two years of Cease. The supposed goal is to win a title right? Trading six years for two can be fine if it helps leads to that goal.

If it doesn't sound like you are giving up too much, you are not giving up enough.

He loves all of them.

Do the folks here think that Westburg should be on the untouchable list?

I would hope that he's talking to more than just the White Sox.

Once again no one is suggesting anyone overpays.

And it's possible that we are the side that is being unreasonable. Last trade deadline did not fill me with confidence.

They tried not doing anything in 2014. I've of the mind you should always be trying to improve.

I'm sorry was the title of the piece "Why haven't the O's traded for Cease yet?". Other options have been available and they are pretty much taken none of them. I don't think any of us thought that Elias was going into the offseason with a to do list of : Sign one year closer Trade for Cease Profit

It's not the only shot, it's the only shot our combination of Owner and GM are willing to attempt.

Not me. And to answer your question, if a song sounds like it was written fifty years ago it's "classic rock".

Maybe they can get a wall ad outside the betting area they are sure to add to the ballpark with the State's money!

I'm sure full refunds will be available. Right?