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By the way, Roch seemed pretty certain that Holliday would make the team (at least from the Roch blogs that I read). I'm not a Roch blaster or hater, but it does seem like the coaches and like give him very little to no inside information.
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I'm disappointed. Odor, Frasier, and now Wong all during a time when the organization is stacked with talented infielders. I sure hope Westburg is the opening day starter at 2B, but it will probably be Wong. Pretty bummed. The Orioles just don't seem capable of trusting some of their highly touted minor leaguers (that statement is less about Holliday and more about the older prospects that they have slow rolled). Hopefully it is much ado in a few weeks, but opening day will be slightly less enjoyable for me than if the team was starting Holliday, included Mayo, etc.
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59 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
Going back through this thread I found Henderson/Mateo 3x, Henderson/Holliday 2x, Henderson/Westburg 1x, and Henderson/Wong 1x
Today is only Henderson's eighth game. That's part of it, but I also think the Orioles have sent Holliday on some road trips to face better starting pitching. So not sure how much to make of the lineups at this point.
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What’s the bonus pool stuff? I don’t remember anything about that.
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Incredibly lame
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As others noted, we haven't gotten to see a lot of Grayson yet this spring. Stats are to date are mixed (they are meaningless at this point, very meaningless, but include a high strikeout rate, yay!, but walks and a homerun). I think Grayson will have a very good year, but he's probably likely to have streaks of walks and a few homers mixed with streaks of dominance. I don't expect him to be lights out/second half Grayson all year. But of course I hope he's lights out all year.
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32 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
I don't think he's overlooked. I think we're all really just focused on the position battles, Jackson Holliday and maybe the bullpen.
I think we're all wondering if he can put together a full season like he did in the 2nd half of last year.
This is the way.
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2 minutes ago, dystopia said:
It is not just the Orioles' regional network that isn't broadcasting many ST games.
https://www.mlb.com/live-stream-games?&affiliateID=mlbMENUtv
Look at how few telecasts there are. I'm not saying it's right, but other fans are dealing with the same thing. It's not just MASN.
A lot of the RSN's are doing poorly. We probably hit peak spring training broadcast schedule several years ago and it will continue to be pretty blah.
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8 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:
Now that he has that year with 100+IP under his belt, he should be able to give more this year.
He threw 103 innings in 2022 and was used exclusively as a starter. He threw 118 innings last year. He turns 30 in August. This may be who he is. But it looks like pitching 100 innings isn't a special threshold for him.
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15 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
The level of praise from the national writers is pretty crazy. They are salivating.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I'm sure it is also a seniority thing.
It’s also an at bats thing. He’s one of the team leaders in spring at bats. Taking a nice, long look him.
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10 minutes ago, interloper said:
Huh? Where did I say he'd protect against ALL of that happening? Of course not. But it's nice to have him around when the rotation is out 2 guys next year. Or if someone else gets hurt this year.
Whatever happened to "you can't have enough pitching"? It's wild to me that anyone would be against a 2 year deal for a decent SP, even if you had 5 healthy starters, which we don't.
There was an awful lot of hand-wringing in your post. A nearly endless stream of negative what-ifs. The what-ifs work both ways.
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8 minutes ago, interloper said:
Lorenzen makes too much sense for where the Orioles are at right now. Let's say you sign him to 2/$24. Your rotation becomes:
Burnes
Grayson
Kremer
Irvin or Wells
LorenzenWhen Means comes back, if no one else has gotten injured, you can move someone to the bullpen. If Bradish comes back, well, that's a miracle and a nice problem to have, but the Orioles should not be operating on the assumption that he returns.
Next year, Means and Burnes will be gone, but you at least still have a #5 starter (or bullpen guy) with Lorenzen on his 2nd year.I'd sign him in a heartbeat because I don't trust our SP depth very much. It looks okay right now on paper, but how many innings can we really count on from Means? Is Irvin going to be a guy or not? Can Wells hold up? Kremer threw 175 innings last year - does his arm hold up this year? What if Grayson pulls another 2023 first half and we have to send him down to fix him again? There are just a lot of questions. Adding another guy like Lorenzen protects you from a lot of that, at least from an innings perspective.
So if Means, Irvin, Wells, Kremer, and Grayson all get hurt or have bad years then signing Lorenzen is going "protect from a lot of that"? You might as well include an asteroid taking out Camden Yards during a game in the what-if list.
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2 hours ago, Joep said:
Don’t understand why the O’s keep entertaining the idea of keeping Mckenna around when you have Cowser Stowers and Kjerstad in the wings for a spot on the Roster…we already know McKenna can’t hit……
Only advantage is that you can let McKenna rot on the bench for long stretches. That said I want the younger prospects on the team, but that is one benefit to having a fourth outfielder like McKenna.
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26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I like WPA a lot more than I do saves.
Oh, three run lead with the 7-8-9 guys coming up? That's a save.
But I don't think WPA really accounts for how good the pitcher was at converting saves under different conditions. The 2023 Orioles played a crazy number of tight games, more than many other teams. A season like the O's 2023 season provides more WPA-earning opportunities than many other team's season provides. A strikeout in the 9th when the team is up by one increases WPA more than a strikeout in the 9th when the team is leading by three. At least that's my understanding of how the calculation works.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. We are going to miss Bautista. When he's on his game, Bautista is basically unreplicatable. But Bautista was also scary as heck in some games. I think Kimbrel performed well as a closer last year, overall, and I am optimistic that the drop-off won't be as big as you fear. And part of that is being a good closer isn't that much different from being a really good closer in terms of wins and losses, on average. I am also hopeful that the bullpen will not have to rely so much on Kimbrel.
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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:
In the 2023 season Felix Bautista finished second in WPA among relievers (behind the one that got away Tanner Scott). Kimbrel was 29th at 1.6.
He was 29th out of like 162 players who pitched in relief. Cano was 14th and yet only saved 50 something percent of his opportunities. Do you think Cano would be a better closer than Kimbrel?
WPA is context dependent depending on the situation in the game.
Bautista was dominant, no doubt, but in the end he and Kimbrel saved about the same percentage of opportunities. It’s one of the weird things about the small sample sizes associated with the position.
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35 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
O's bullpen was nails last season.
Bullpen performance is weird because it's evaluated over relatively small sample sizes and the relationship between things like strikeouts and outcomes is not 100% (especially in small sample sizes). The Orioles bullpen had a 61% save rate in 2023, almost exactly MLB average. Bautista had an 85% save rate and Kimbrel had an 82% save rate (Cano had a 57% save rate, for comparison). A couple of closers saved 90%. Bautista was a lot of fun to watch and deserved the confidence that most of us had in him, but a number of closers were ultimately just as effective even though they weren't lighting up the radar gun and scaring the crap out of opposing hitters. I'm hopeful that Kimbrel has a good year and that the loss of Bautista is absorbable. Fingers crossed.
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I voted no just out of “we can’t have nice things” pessimism. I sure hope I’m wrong.
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The RSN model is clearly dying. The national streaming rights are held by MLB, not the local teams (as I understand it). Seems that in less than ten years almost all MLB will be streamed and there’s a good chance the revenue will be split equally or maybe on some prorated basis based on viewership. It will be interesting to see how it plays out as current RSN deals run out. But obviously a lot of RSN’s are doing poorly.
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5 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Who did Manny replace at 3B?
So where do you think Jackson Holliday plays in MLB? If Gunnar is better at SS and Westburg is better at 2B next year and the year after that, then does Holliday not get promoted? You think Holliday stays in the minors if there are better defensive options on the ML team? That seems to be your “logic”. But in reality, it does not matter if Westburg is the better defensive 2B. He will not block Holliday.
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2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
Was your intention to show that Westburg is a better 2B than 3B or just to show he’s capable of making an athletic, great play from anywhere? Not sure I get it either.
Tea leaves. That’s all he is interested in. Tea leaves.
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You guys are very impressive. I absolutely suck at this game. I’m terrible with names in general and that is a serious handicap for this game. Plus you guys just know a ton more than I do. Very impressive.
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3 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
Yeah even Google shows it's rare. This what a quick search gave me...
14 games - Mike Squires, 1983-84 White Sox (3B)
6 games - Royle Stillman, 1975 Orioles (SS)
3 games - Don Mattingly, 1986 Yankees (3B)
1 game - Mario Valdez, 1997 White Sox (3B)
1 game - Mark Ryal, 1987 Angels (SS)
1 game - Anthony Rizzo, 2017 Cubs (3B)
1 game - Terry Francona, 1985 Expos (3B)
For me, I think if you're left handed, then running/gliding to the left and throwing to 1B around the batters line moving that way is a lot easier than moving to the right and having to pivot and turn. I take my experiences playing QB and throwing on the run as a comparison. It was always easier to scramble to my throwing arm side. And at 2B, as a RH, it was a matter of gliding through the 2B bag toward the mound and getting the ball around the runner. It was easier to receive from the SS and throw that way.
I think what you meant to write was, “I was spectacularly full of crap.”
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Trade Holliday.
I'm joking!
Could the Orioles be in on Jordan Montgomery after the season officially starts?
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Agreed. Fun to imagine, but super unlikely to happen.