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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

You can't just look at the total dollars, when the number of years is different.   4/$52 mm is a lot less than 3/$60 mm with a $5 mm buyout if the Indians don't option for a 4th year.      It's not just $52 mm vs. $60 mm.   (Note: the previous reports on Trumbo said $52-56 mm.   I'm using the lower number, but the point holds either way.)

I don't particularly want Trumbo back, but I wouldn't call the Orioles' offer "silly" money.

I'd prefer 3 years to 4, naturally. It's 3/60 for a player worth 12 wins over the last 3 seasons vs 4/52 for a guy who's been worth 2 in the same time frame.

Yes, I would call that silly.

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Trumbo has been worth 9.6 rWAR through age 30.  I did a query for everyone in history who was worth between 5 and 12 rWAR through 30, and played 1B, 3B, RF, LF, or DH.  Came up with 146 players out of that.

Note that $50M is about the equivalent of six wins in free agency.

From age 31-on 29 of the Trumbo-like players were worth six or more wins.  117, or 80%, were worth less than six.  42 of the 146, or 29%, were worth less than 0 rWAR from 31-on.  So by this one measure there's a greater chance of Trumbo being totally worthless from now on out than of him being worth $50M.

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3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Not a WAR expert.  But what would Trumbo's WAR had been last year if he strictly got all his PA's at DH?  Ball park it. I don't need an exact figure.  I'm giving out rep like it's Christmas.  

Something like 2.0 instead of 1.6.  He was a -11 fielder with a -10 positional adjustment (bb-ref).  As a DH his positional adjustment would go to -15 or so (-18 per 162, but some non-DH interleague games he doesn't play), but his fielding number goes to 0.  So he gains maybe half a win.

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8 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Something like 2.0 instead of 1.6.  He was a -11 fielder with a -10 positional adjustment (bb-ref).  As a DH his positional adjustment would go to -15 or so (-18 per 162, but some non-DH interleague games he doesn't play), but his fielding number goes to 0.  So he gains maybe half a win.

Thanks.  One thing that should correct itself next season with him is he only OPS'd .608 in 166 PA's vs LHP.  That should help even out any of the regressions from the numbers he put up last year.  Notable OPS vs AL East LH SP's.

Price- .764 34 PA's

CC- .581 31 PA

Liriano- .815 24 PA

Sale- 1.114 15 PA

Happ- 0 11 PA

Ed Rod- 0 11 PA

 

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23 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Not a WAR expert.  But what would Trumbo's WAR had been last year if he strictly got all his PA's at DH?  Ball park it. I don't need an exact figure.  I'm giving out rep like it's Christmas.  

Also, if Trumbo is going to be the DH, why would anyone prefer him at 4/52 to Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez on 1 year deals?

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3 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

Also, if Trumbo is going to be the DH, why would anyone prefer him at 4/52 to Chris Carter or Pedro Alvarez on 1 year deals?

The only reason I can think of is that he was a bit better offensively than those two last year.

I prefer Alvarez of the three so Mancini can get some at bats, but I'm fine with one of [Trumbo/Carter/Alvarez], given that the team also signs an actual outfielder.

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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Thanks.  One thing that should correct itself next season with him is he only OPS'd .608 in 166 PA's vs LHP.  That should help even out any of the regressions from the numbers he put up last year. 

Against RHP he OPS'd 150 points above his career mark.  I'd assume that regression in 400+ PAs will more than make up for whatever he does against lefties.

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8 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Well, presuming 4/50 then, that's 12.5 mil a season.  If Trumbo performs as a 2-win DH like Drungo pointed out, that's $6.25 mil a win and he earns the contract.

But what are the odds he stays at or near career highs in performance for the next four years?  His career OPS is .775, and most players decline through their 30s.  A DH with a .725 or .750 OPS is replacement level, the kind of guy you can easily acquire for 1/5.

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