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Dan Connolly: Orioles Cheap? Get your head out of last Decade


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1 hour ago, big_sparxx said:

The frustration if I may call it that is that aside from having the fifth largest payroll in baseball, we are nowhere near a WS title. I don't think anyone on this board (as far as I can recall) has admitted to a positive plan to get there with this team. You can huff and puff all you want, but at the end of the day, what do we have to show for it? Is spending more money the answer? Are we that much closer to a WS title with a potential FA?

You might ponder the significance of this team's ability until the cows come home, but without investment here and now, I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that THIS team, with these players is just not good enough. Now how you deal with that reality, and how you choose to accept what the FO might or might not do is up to you.

I don't think this post is really addressing Connolly's point.   Saying that the spending hasn't really gotten the team anywhere is different from saying the team has been/is being cheap.

Me, I don't think that making the playoffs three times in five years should be easily dismissed.    Sure, we'd all prefer to win a World Series.   Only four teams have done that in the referenced five-year span; 26 teams haven't.   Among those 26, few have been as successful as the Orioles.   So, while I'm not completely satisfied, I'm pleased that we've had our chances, and I'm hoping for more.

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36 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don't think this post is really addressing Connolly's point.   Saying that the spending hasn't really gotten the team anywhere is different from saying the team has been/is being cheap.

Me, I don't think that making the playoffs three times in five years should be easily dismissed.    Sure, we'd all prefer to win a World Series.   Only four teams have done that in the referenced five-year span; 26 teams haven't.   Among those 26, few have been as successful as the Orioles.   So, while I'm not completely satisfied, I'm pleased that we've had our chances, and I'm hoping for more.

In the eternal spring of hope we now sit on the edge of a dream. Either we are "all in" or we need to find another way. This team, in its best moments over the past few seasons have been woefully short of things that ultimately will make us a champion. We have beaten this horse to death and we understand that we do not have the components needed. We invest in power, not in manufacturing runs, we invest in hopeful arms and a strong bullpen, We don't have aces, clear #1 or #2 for that matter. We have guys we hope will give us 5 or 6, not guys who we can put out there that are "money in the bank" The Sawx went out and got Price and Sale. Explain to me where we have anything CLOSE to that.

If we are not going to invest PROPERLY in this team in order for us to take that next step, then I for one do not wish to continue with the mirage that "just maybe" might happen. As I have said countless times. Adam is going to swing at low and away, we know he will, they know he will and sadly... so does he. We keep waiting for this team to improve and ultimately it has not done so measurably.

I have no problem spending money knowing that we are big spenders, but investing in areas of need to me are far more important than trying to keep the status quo. Spend or go home.

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I will grant you that the Orioles have never invested in an ace pitcher, and that we probably will never become the type of team that is one of the favorites to win the WS unless a couple of our own guys develop into TOR pitchers.    But (1) I don't rule out the chance that our own guys will develop as hoped, and (2) I'm not as dismissive as you of the chance that a non-favored team can win a WS.    It happens frequently enough, and I don't think there's any rule that says a power-oriented team is less likely to do it than a run-manufacturing team.  

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16 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I will grant you that the Orioles have never invested in an ace pitcher, and that we probably will never become the type of team that is one of the favorites to win the WS unless a couple of our own guys develop into TOR pitchers.    But (1) I don't rule out the chance that our own guys will develop as hoped, and (2) I'm not as dismissive as you of the chance that a non-favored team can win a WS.    It happens frequently enough, and I don't think there's any rule that says a power-oriented team is less likely to do it than a run-manufacturing team.  

Quoted for truth. 

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37 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

In the eternal spring of hope we now sit on the edge of a dream. Either we are "all in" or we need to find another way. This team, in its best moments over the past few seasons have been woefully short of things that ultimately will make us a champion. We have beaten this horse to death and we understand that we do not have the components needed. We invest in power, not in manufacturing runs, we invest in hopeful arms and a strong bullpen, We don't have aces, clear #1 or #2 for that matter. We have guys we hope will give us 5 or 6, not guys who we can put out there that are "money in the bank" The Sawx went out and got Price and Sale. Explain to me where we have anything CLOSE to that.

If we are not going to invest PROPERLY in this team in order for us to take that next step, then I for one do not wish to continue with the mirage that "just maybe" might happen. As I have said countless times. Adam is going to swing at low and away, we know he will, they know he will and sadly... so does he. We keep waiting for this team to improve and ultimately it has not done so measurably.

I have no problem spending money knowing that we are big spenders, but investing in areas of need to me are far more important than trying to keep the status quo. Spend or go home.

Tell me how you are going to purchase that extra luck and I'm right with you. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I don't think this post is really addressing Connolly's point.   Saying that the spending hasn't really gotten the team anywhere is different from saying the team has been/is being cheap.

Me, I don't think that making the playoffs three times in five years should be easily dismissed.    Sure, we'd all prefer to win a World Series.   Only four teams have done that in the referenced five-year span; 26 teams haven't.   Among those 26, few have been as successful as the Orioles.   So, while I'm not completely satisfied, I'm pleased that we've had our chances, and I'm hoping for more.

I am glad we were luck away from winning the World Series three times in the last five seasons. 

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2 minutes ago, weams said:

Tell me how you are going to purchase that extra luck and I'm right with you. 

Exactly my point. It just ain't happening. We have chosen to invest in one way, thinking that it will get us over the hump... I beg anyone to show me how that has happened.

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Just now, big_sparxx said:

Exactly my point. It just ain't happening. We have chosen to invest in one wa, thinking that it will get us over the hump... I beg anyone to show me how that has happened.

Get to the playoffs. Invest in luck like the other World Series winners have. Profit. 

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