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35 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
No, I knew he wouldn’t do it and like I said, even if he did, it wouldn’t be reality anyway. But don’t sit there and cry like a little bitch when people ask why you haven’t done it.
Agreed, but the part I saw that set me off was: "...we should be judged by how much we drive all of our profits back into the product on the field."
Apparently, the Forbes Operating Income data are off by close to $150M over the last 2 years!!! That statement should cause him huge grief, much more than opening books.
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13 minutes ago, Frobby said:
He’s not smart, but thinks he is. That’s dangerous.
He thinks he is a "player" or "playah" but his only accomplishment was being born an Angelos.
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26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
But that's what he is. He's a victim, his daddy never respected his talents and contributions.
The complaint depicts John Angelos as an aggrieved son who felt underappreciated and underpaid by his father. It quotes from so-called manifestoes that John Angelos wrote, including one from March 3, 2015, in which he says he’s created hundreds of millions of dollars of cash flow and wealth for family’s companies yet his salary never exceeded $175,000 at the Orioles or $225,000 at Mid-Atlantic Sports Network
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33 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:
John Angelos seems really dumb. I am surprised he hired Elias and the analytical approach that Elias brings.
Technically, it was John AND Louis who hired him and PA was still involved. John has on several occasions stated that he hired ME but that's not true.
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We lived in Locust Point and my dad walked to HS at Poly to save 5 cents from the streetcar to buy a slice of pie. Supposedly a true story per Grandma!
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2 minutes ago, Going Underground said:
Some idiot who started this thread.. Maybe some parrotheads. Jimmy Buffet concert?
I think I could get into Margaritaville at Camden Yards, I would be a Cheeseburger in Paradise!
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As long as we are competitive all season and finish ahead of Boston, I'll be good just not happy. I'm looking for a 1982 season where we stumble around 1st half and then sync. I want whoever is in 3rd looking over their shoulder most of the 2nd half, trying to hold on, as we relentlessly close the gap.
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8 hours ago, Pickles said:
I honestly in the 15 or so years of coming here can't remember a single player that elicited so much conversation an visceral reaction. It's odd.
You missed Mussina and Teixiera I guess.
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4 hours ago, Frobby said:
Probably the best thing that can be said Is that Elias didn’t make any moves that will hamstring the team long term.....I will now root for the Orioles to prove me completely wrong.
I don't think those "hamstring" moves are even in his DNA, he is a draft and develop guy. Maybe he can grow into "significant FA acquisition" EVP but I don't think JA will give him that much rope.
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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:
Fair point, but I still like to think of last year's team as a 84-win team that is bringing back a large majority of the same players who are young and in theory, should improve with experience. Had he added an impact starter and potentially a MOO, I would be pretty stoked about this season.
I'm sorry Tony, but I'm convinced ME simply doesn't have the budget to do that, even if he wanted to. Frazier's $8M doesn't get you there even if ME really wanted to splurge, which I don't believe. I think he believes he can build this thing through drafting mainly with judicious FA supplementation. JA is still trying to show the world he is a successful, underappreciated, and underpaid executive. His metric of choice IMHO. is Operating Income (profit). He won't spend like PA did.
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1 hour ago, Frobby said:
And like the 2012 team, the 2022 team outperformed its Pythagorean record by a significant margin. Just a bit of bullpen regression, which is likely, could knock the team down several games.
I expect us to slide several games (3-4) from last year just like HOU after they broke .500. BP, several will regress but we won't collapse, too many spare bullets to use. SP, the floor is higher, fewer Zimm, Watkins, et. al. innings balances out the BP. Offensively, Mounty, Adley, and Hays improve, but Hays is limited in ABs due to injuries. Gunnar, Mullins, and Santander hold serve but Santander looses time to injuries. So your hopes to improve are left with Mateo, Frazier, Urias, Stowers, and Vavra in some combination with more team IL time this year. I expect Stowers and Vavra to be underused due to Frazier's veteranosity, Urias to not repeat his defensive breakthrough, leaving Mateo as the wild card. If he can recapture his plate discipline from last summer's heater he can make up the difference and we could improve on last year. Place your bets.
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25 minutes ago, wildcard said:
How he performs is the question.
Its not hard for me to see why he was signed. If I look at the projections for Mountcastle, Santander, Hays, Stowers and Mateo they project to a OBP of 310 or less. In Mateo's case much less. Frazier OBP over his career is mostly at 335 OBP or better except of last season and the shortened season of 2020. So Frazier has the chance to provide something the O's need if he performs well.
We only have minor league numbers and ST numbers which are against a lot of minor leaguers for Westburg and Ortiz. With the O's trying to contend there is added risk in the conversion from the minors to the majors.
So far Frazier's spring is not looking good. Maybe as a veteran he can turn it up in the regular season.
WC, I honestly do love your optimism but OMG "Its not hard for me to see why he was signed." If OBP was the metric driving this acquisition, then the answer should have been Vavra. If the ability to drive in runs was the metric then it should have been Westburg over Frazier every day, even on Sundays. If defense was the metric then Ortiz should have been the choice. I haven't even considered Urias and his supposedly bum knee carrying over from last season so we did an in case of fire break glass signing. If so, they don't cost $8M. This is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, there is no rational justification. Sorry
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1 hour ago, Frobby said:
Why is that?
The figures don't lie but liars figure!
sorry, couldn't help myself.
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16 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
I think you might have it. Depends on the answer between GRod and Wells which I think is 50/50. I’m still leaning towards GRod with Wells to the pen.
Agree, but what are they going to do with Tate if he is mid-May per Hyde? That's too long for a 15 day IL and too short for the 60 day list? Similar for Givens but a shorter window. Gillaspie, Krehbiel, Politi are just keeping a seat warm for these guys and Wells, when GRod is stretched out after 2-3 weeks. Then there is Hall, possibly Cano as well. Going to be interesting.
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7 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
So operating income is the overall income net of everything? So it does appear the Orioles have banked profits from the profitable years to operate at a loss in the high payroll years, but only to an extent (most notably in the red by 26M in 2017).
Yes, Operating Income (profit) is overall income net of everything. I think you have to separate 2014-2018 from the recent years. PA had income from the law firm to help balance the year to year fluctuations. JA doesn't have that option, most likely. The thought that the O's "banked" profits to use in other years is what we tell ourselves to justify advocating for higher salaries, however it is likely fantasy.
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24 minutes ago, AnythingO's said:
Was the actual wall cost spelled out anywhere?
Found this so "wall cost" and reimbursement doesn't account for the Revenue or the Operating Cost increases.
The stadium authority recommended the Orioles receive a discount of one-fifth of the wall’s total cost per fiscal year from 2022 to 2026, up to $700,000, depending on the project’s cost, provided the Orioles extend the lease or sign a new one. The Orioles will receive the $593,413 discount annually for the next four fiscal years, as long as a lease is agreed to.
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8 minutes ago, Going Underground said:
The MSA paid for the wall by reducing what the Orioles rent was and the wall cost
Was the actual wall cost spelled out anywhere?
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Just now, Going Underground said:
The MSA paid for the wall by reducing what the Orioles rent was and the wall cost
Yes I know that MSA will cover the wall cost thru reimbursement but I think the O's had to pay for the actual construction when done. If so, there is an upfront "cost" that would show up somewhere, that would be reimbursed by MSA. Maybe that is covered in the Revenue increase which is about the same as Op Cost increase???
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11 hours ago, Frobby said:
I don’t really understand this breakout. Do the salary numbers come from Forbes, or somewhere else? Is that something different from payroll? What is “operating cost” compared to “payroll + expenses?”
Sorry for the delay, having internet issues. Salaries are public, I think from Spotrac. Forbes gives Revenue, Payroll (salaries plus expenses), and Operating Income (profit). What I call Operating Cost is calculated. We don't know the breakout of what is included in Revenue by Forbes. Basically I take Revenue minus Payroll and Operating Income to generate Operating Cost. Op Cost began rising in 2021, likely the effect of ME changes. The $12M OP Cost jump in 2022 over the $7M jump in 2021 is surprising, maybe a one time thing due to the wall? Payroll includes salaries plus expenses (benefits) but in 2019 the delta over salaries was $42M and in 2022 it was $38M, whereas in other years it has been about $20M. In 2019 I guessed it could be related to the restructure of the Davis contract, I have no idea for 2022's increase.
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On 3/23/2023 at 3:02 PM, AnythingO's said:
My memory is that only 15-20 voted against the Davis contract but there were likely several polls.
Took awhile to find but 32 voted against the Davis contract. about 22.5% of the total responses.
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OK folks, I have found the latest Forbes numbers for 2022. A few notable changes: Payroll had been about +$20M over Salaries but was +$38M in 2022, also Operating Costs had been about $95M, rose to $102 in 2021 but were up to $114M in 2023. Both those increases eat into profitability (Operating Income) and ultimately maximum Salaries. I have no explanation for those increases.
Year Revenue Salaries Payroll + Expenses Revenue - Expenses Operating Income Operating Cost 2014 245 110 122 123 31.4 91.6 2015 239 118.9 137 102 8.8 93.2 2016 253 147.7 162 91 -2.1 93.1 2017 252 164.3 183 69 -26 95 2018 251 143 161 90 -6.5 96.5 2019 256 61.1 103 153 57 96 2020 115 23.9 43 72 -23 95 2021 251 45.7 66 185 83 102 2022 264 44.88 83 181 67 114 -
1 hour ago, Jagwar said:
Didn't think about that... they would probably call up a bullpen arm then?
If you are talking about OD roster then the BP will have 13 already and that's the max. Since they are still looking at the plethora of 1B/DH types I suppose they would pick on of them for the position player 13.
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5 hours ago, Jagwar said:
Hypothetical... Suppose Urias is not able to go on opening day and hits the DL due to his thumb injury. Would Westburg be the guy that gets called up?
Depends on who makes the 26, Vavra or one of the 1B/DH AAAA guys. If Vavra is here then no tp Westburg because they already have a Util IF. Westburg would also have to be added to the 40-man, although there should be slots available.
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From one of the lawsuits: "The new filing depicts John Angelos as an aggrieved son who felt underappreciated and underpaid by his father. It quotes from so-called manifestoes that John Angelos wrote, including one from March 3, 2015, in which he said he’s created hundreds of millions of dollars of cash flow and wealth for the family’s companies yet his salary never exceeded $175,000 at the Orioles or $225,000 at Mid-Atlantic Sports Network, also known as MASN.
IMHO the only thing JA cares about is being perceived as a successful businessman, a "player", as to date all his prior efforts resulted in failure requiring PA to step in to fix.
I can't get over how much Angelos has killed off the fanbase
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yes of course but that was a quote from a manifesto JA wrote, it is a written document apparently part of the legal record.