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I’m sure if I looked at a five-year window, I’d find that individual teams’ operating incomes fluctuate a lot. But based on this look, I personally don’t think it would be reasonable at all for the O’s to be taking operating income of $75 mm+ on an annual basis. If that’s the plan, I’d say the owners are being extremely greedy. They haven’t done it in the pre-2018 period, and in my opinion they shouldn’t be doing it now. I was okay with them doing it during the rebuilding phase, but now that they’re in position to compete, I expect them to spend what’s necessary to do it, and if they don’t, that’s on the owners.
I don't disagree at all with your take. My only point was if Revenue stays about $250 M then there is about $75 M to cover profit and increased salaries. If JA is good with a $25 M profit then there will be about $50 M to add to the salary pool. If he wants $50 M in Operating Income then there is only $25 M additional for salaries over the $55 I estimated.
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No such drama at Crooked Crab in Odenton. Sig, Means, Bautista, Mullins, and I think Tate at front bar. Krieble and Hays at the back bar, Mullins joined them later. Sig tried to serve but kept putting the beer in the wrong size glasses like double nitro IPA in 16 oz glasses vs 6 oz so they had him walking around collecting empty glasses. The players mostly just smiled for pics. I tried to load a video but the mp4 format isn't supported
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I'm gonna try to hit Crooked Crab tomorrow and hoped to see Kjerstad but he is not on the list. "Better payer than he was at AR" is all I could ask for at this point.
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13 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
My wife is a preK teacher in York Co PA. On Groundhogs Day she started the discussion asking “Who knows the 4 seasons?” A little girl raised her hand and said “Deer. Turkey. Fishing. And I forgot the other one.”
Sounds like he will enjoy PA too!
Obviously the "other" season is crabbing lol.
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1 hour ago, wildcard said:
IMO the five I mentioned have higher ceilings than Irvin. Hopefully they hit those ceilings.
The way you phrased it, "higher ceilings", is at least supportable. However, you are implying all 5 will be functioning at those levels mid-season to enable trades. Means won't be back until July at the earliest and who knows what version of himself he will be post TJ. Hall will likely be a SP in AAA under innings limits or, failing that, being converted to RP. Grayson hasn't thrown 1 MLB inning. Kremer and Bradish have not yet proven themselves to be MLB average SPs, like Irwin has these last 2 years. I love your optimism but if you truly believe all 5 will be performing that well mid-season, please send me copious quantities of whatever you are drinking/smoking.
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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
No, JA is cash poor, as I have been saying for a while.
Well these last 2 years he has been flush with cash flow surplus. We have no idea what other debts he has incurred during this time but Lou infers JA has been trying to buy up other shares. At a $1.375 B valuation that's $13.75 M per 1 % share. May be where the $26.5 M went, the first withdrawal from PA's checking account, the math works.
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2 hours ago, eddie83 said:
The MD Stadium Authority is offering the Orioles $600M. They exist to benefit local sports teams.
I have no idea what t’s need to be crossed and i’s dotted. I don’t see what needs to be negotiated. I’m sure it’s something more than paperwork but at the core is the money being offered to improve the stadium. I don’t know what there is to screw up.I hope you are right but I have no faith in JA not to screw it up and PA isn't going to come in and fix it this time.
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2 hours ago, Frobby said:
So are you taking Lou’s allegations at face value? I’m not saying they’re wrong, but it wouldn’t be the first time that a lawsuit made allegations that were either misleading or way overblown.
Nope, but the article referenced a "manifesto" with a specific date so I presume there is a hard copy to wit. I presume the figures quoted refer to written word. Other Sun articles said JA stopped the sale negotiations, apparently on 2 occasions. I have no doubt these things are being presented from Lou's perspective, but that doesn't mean they are not factual. There is too much smoke here for there not to be something burning.
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7 hours ago, interloper said:
You could argue that's all stuff that entices someone to buy (new revenue streams, modernized front office, etc), and sure, yes, that's correct. But he's awfully loud about all of that and wanting to be seen as The Guy. I think if he wanted to sell, he could do all that while basically never showing his face or saying anything ever. It just doesn't give the vibe that he's selling.
John stopped the sale negotiations his mother had already started. He wants to stay in charge (majority owner) and have control of the revenue stream. The Guy is absolutely right. This from the latest lawsuit by Louis:
"The new filing depicts John Angelos as an aggrieved son who felt underappreciated and underpaid by his father. It quotes from so-called manifestoes that John Angelos wrote, including one from March 3, 2015, in which he said he’s created hundreds of millions of dollars of cash flow and wealth for the family’s companies yet his salary never exceeded $175,000 at the Orioles or $225,000 at Mid-Atlantic Sports Network, also known as MASN."
When the O's ST was still in Ft. Lauderdale and it was the worst facility in MLB, PA sent JA down to negotiate a lease extension and get the City to pay for facility improvements. He failed and PA had to step in to get an extension. The PA sent JA to the west coast to find a new ST site (Fort Meyers I believe) and he again played hard ball and failed. PA had to step in and eventually they got the deal they have now. PA put JA in charge of MASN from the beginning and JA did........????? Why do we have any faith that JA will successfully negotiate with MD Sports Authority???????
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I figured the "loans" were not because the team was actually in need of funds but were a form of accounting chicanery. You loan the team 10M at a high rate of interest and then make payments to yourself.
I admit, as negative as I am about the Angelos clan, I never thought of that angle. Well done. I always figured PA was loaning MASN profits to the team so he could claim he was investing the RSN money into the team like he promised.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:
They didn’t lose money. Lol
Again, there is money coming in they didn’t report. They are greedy lawyers, they don’t lose money doing anything.
Don't EVER confuse me with those who believe the Forbes-MLB numbers tell the whole story. There were years the NYY have a loss on paper lol. However, we have heard in the past that PA "loaned" money to the team so I assume they run the team like a business and try to make a profit. If they failed, PA would supplement but whether that money came from MASN or the law firm or real estate profits, who knows. I am sure that JA doesn't have that disposable income now.
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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
One of which has been kept artificially low to enhance the other. (allegedly)
True but the Arbitrator proposed higher fees (equal to both teams) and a small profit.
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Just now, Sports Guy said:
Right…so we actually don’t know the real number. We know that this team has operating with a payroll well over 100M in recent years and was ok with it.
Absolutely but those years with salaries in the $140-$160 M range they lost money. PA was OK with that, IMHO JA will never do that. He is trying to show he is a successful businessman after failing at multiple ventures previously (Ft Lauderdale, Fort Meyers, MASN).
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
And that revenue doesn’t include MASN, correct?
I believe it includes rights fees to O's and Nats but not profits from MASN.
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A few pages back CoC said "You should have tons of room to add payroll. " I have posted a spreadsheet multiple times that disputes that "fact". Revenue has been about $250 M for awhile, Operating Costs are about $100 M, Expenses are about $20 M about Salaries so about $75 M, that leaves about $75 M which needs to Cover JA's profit whatever that may be. The leftover can be added to $75 M, ME ain't gonna go crazy unless JA accept less profit or Revenue increases.
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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:
You must have a different relationship with your kids than I do. My relationship involves them leaching off me, not the other way around! I get Prime, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney Plus (thank you, MLBAM!) and Hulu. Considering I never had HBO cable, I’ve got enough retroactive streaming contact to last me a couple of decades.
Haha, never said they weren't leaching. Son (turns 32 this month) just moved out a month ago, fingers crossed. Daughter (32) still in grad school for more 1.5 years. I signed up for the LOONG haul years ago lol. They think of it as a B-day present.
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16 minutes ago, Frobby said:
There’s only so many streaming services I can take in.
Cmon Frobby, You get each of your kids to get 1-2 services and you combine them all for all participants. I have HBO Max thru cell and Amazon Prime but get Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Pandora, Peacock thru the kids.
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But for luddites like my parents? I can't wait to get the inevitable phonecall where they're wondering where the Orioles are, how come they're not on MASN and "WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE APP?" That's just a delight.
Anyway, two big middle fingers and a Roseanne Barr National Anthem crotch grab to MLB for continuing to be idiots. I'm sure whoever stumbles across an Orioles/Cubs game on Peacock will be absolutely riveted and become a baseball fan for life because of your genius marketing.
Well Moose, I probably qualify as a LUDDITE (age wise), but I want to substitute a cut and paste of JA's oblivious face smiling for the media after his latest toe stub (had to clean it up, I am a LUDDITE after all) in the general area of RB's crotch to appropriately register my disgust.
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1 hour ago, ChuckS said:
Considering we added Frazier in the offseason, it appears the O's don't even view him as an obvious starter right now.
This!! Westburg isn't pushing Mateo, Ortiz, Gunnar off SS, especially with Jackson in the picture. He isn't pushing Gunnar off 3B and probably not Urias either. So that leaves 2B and they brought in Frazier. If Mateo hits enough to stay at SS then Ortiz is ahead of Westburg at 2B as well. Either they don't see Westburg there defensively or they don't think he is fully baked yet. What they do with Westburg and Norby this year position wise should be interesting.
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I will go with Mateo. After being blocked by all stars he got his chance last year. His defense is highlight reel stuff. For 6-8 weeks last summer he resembled a MLB hitter before reverting to old habits. Old habits die hard but if you have spent your entire life to make it in MLB and you have a taste of success, I think he will do everything he can to stick, including going back to working with the hitting coaches.
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58 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
You must not have even gotten to first base. Geez!
He stood her up for a track meet, she dumped him for the quarterback, lol.
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21 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
I guess it depends on what type of SS you think Gunnar can be. He surprised me with his agility and quickness and we know his foot speed is only a tick behind Mateo's and his arm is a tick better. Maybe the Orioles think he'll be GG at SS.
I don't disagree but we have no idea what they think. Tony has Mateo and Ortiz as nearly equal with Gunnar behind but able to play very good D until he outgrows the position. Heck, Westburg can play SS, maybe better than Urias. To me it comes down to folks believing Urias is a better bet to repeat defensively than Mateo and the delta between Urias's bat and Mateo's will offset the drop in defense from Mateo to Gunnar. I just think Mateo has a better chance to repeat than Urias defensively and I'm willing to risk his bat for 3 months with Ortiz in the wings to find out.
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Well is very good Gunnar at SS worth more than GG Gunnar at 3B? If Holiday is everything the pundits say, as in a strong candidate for our 3rd straight #1 prospect, then he will arrive long before 2027, baring injury.
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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:
I agree. Everyone has gotten very spoiled with our highly touted prospects always moving quickly with few hiccups the last two years. It’s not always going to go that way. We’re trying to make the playoffs in 2023 and 2024, not set the table for Holliday.
I don't know if you were referring to me but I'm not trying to set the table for Holiday, or Ortiz, or Mateo. I just fail to see the benefit of moving Gunnar around for lesser players, IMO he is your 3B of the future so let him settle in and work hard to extend him. I'm fine with Mateo getting the chance to repeat last years defense and possibly revisit his plate discipline from last summer. He gets a few months, if he doesn't work out, Ortiz is next man up. Urias has never played defense at that level before and doesn't have a strong arm. Yeah, never played 3B before but why not? He has been trying to break thru for more than a decade. I believe his defense is more at risk than the toolsy Mateo and Urias has shown the ability to play all 3 IF positions adequately, Mateo has been only SS. If Mateo holds serve then Urias/Ortiz can push for time at 2B. Westburg isn't the better prospect at the 3 IF positions than any of them defensively. Find a home for his bat elsewhere.
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It was SRO at 2:30 when I got there, like 15 min to get a beer. I had to stand at the bar so they would know whereto bring the pizza lol. Ended up being in the right place by accident