Moose Milligan

Well I hope Frobby is content.

These lists are a bit silly unless the metrics/what being is measured are well defined. And even then, they're still silly. The good thing, the good takeaway that we should all be happy about is that there's at least 25 guys here that we can be excited about.

I'm not necessarily worried about him, but he should be worried for himself considering the glut of infield talent we have. The Wall isn't an excuse.

Westburg needs to show some more power. He's valuable because he can play multiple positions but his OPS+ was exactly average in 208 at bats last year at 100+. I don't think he's underrated at all.

8/9. 172. Jays/Phillies got me, all I could think of was the 1993 World Series.

You're a funny guy, SG! Asking questions you already know the answers to!

Down a quick 0-2 with the first round draft pick grid. Here's a hint, Rick Ankiel and Rickey Henderson weren't first round picks. I thought Henderson was towards the end of the first round.

This is a good goal. I like it. Fred Lynn for Tigers/Angels is a great pull.

Today was a little tricky, but 9/9 for 80. Cecil Fielder, David Price, Kirk Gibson Greinke, Pham, Jose Guillen Eddie Murray, Fred McGriff, Bobby Bonilla

Yes. IIRC I think you can bundle it all. Unfortunately the cheapest package doesn’t include MASN though. I have DTV and I like it. I used to do MLB.tv with a VPN and sometimes it would work great and then other times it wouldn’t work. And say if it was working for a few weeks with a VPN out of Florida and then the Orioles played the Rays or Marlins, it’d stop working because of the blackout restrictions for the Florida markets. It became a pain in the ass. Gave in and got DTV. Still cord free, technically because the only bill from a cable company we get is for the internet connection. But I think DTV is just the same cost as some basic cable packages IIRC.

9/9 12. The Saturday ones are always the best. I might try again from my work computer to see if I can get a lower score. Trout, Duke Snider, Andre Dawson Yount, Fingers, Devon White (take the commas out, this is hysterical) Rollins, Yogi, Rickey

Titles are dumb. Give Elias and Sig raises for jobs well done instead.

Rookies gotta play. Some will do great, some will be average and others won’t turn out to be contributors. But they gotta play.

But I also wasn't interested in doing any work, so...Immaculate Grid it is. But when they put up a grid that features the Reds, Rockies, Brewers and White Sox...I mean, I am just not interested. The Nats are fun cause you can throw it back to the Expos days. 7/9 288

Bryn Smith was drafted by the Orioles at one point. This is a grid I might come back to this afternoon. I took one look at it and wasn't interested in any of the teams or anything.

I think 32 homers, 97 RBI and playing for a playoff team wins you the ROY fairly easily...or maybe not. Even if it were close, he still wins. So you can hold my feet to the fire for the "fairly easily" comment or hold my feet to the fire for backing off...either way, I think if Jung was healthy all year, Gunnar was playing from behind after his sluggish start and it's difficult to overcome that. Now, you know as well as I do that these things come down to a WAR race. We've been back and forth over this before and there's not much you can do or say to make me think differently. I just read an article on the Athletic earlier where Bowden was selecting his All MLB Team, he basically picked the highest WAR players. From that angle, yeah, Gunnar wins. But as I said, I think some writers will revert back to basic counting stats and consider those, too. And unless someone is, like, Brooks Robinson/Mark Belanger level of defense, I don't think defense really comes into the picture too much. But that's just me.

You can look at it that way and that's fine. And I agree, Gunnar will be the better player. Gunnar IS the better player. But that's a separate argument from who would have won the ROY award this year if Jung hadn't gotten hurt. Like I said, he was leading in two key categories that voters look at when considering who to vote for. And, at the time, Gunnar was hitting something like .244. While he raised his batting average to a respectable level, no way that voters were considering voting for someone hitting in the .240s. I think it would have been close, but Jung leading most of the summer would have carried him to the award, IMO.

Oh.

Ah, a WAR argument. Keep in mind, Gunnar was playing from behind until Jung went down. Jung was at .274/.323/.490 when he went down. 22 homers, 67 RBI. Yes, I know it's ultimately a WAR race which is predictable, but I do believe counting stats play a role here, too. Gunnar was at .243/.331/.477 with 19 homers at 51 RBI. So, yeah, Gunnar was behind at the time. Gunnar played better defense which added to his WAR but I think if Jung played the whole season, he goes over 30 homers, goes over 90 RBI and that's tough to beat.

Cool.

Jung was going to win it fairly easily had he not gotten hurt.

Why not?

Just rando spitballing here, but I can see Santander being traded this offseason. Makes sense on a lot of levels. I suppose a lot of it revolves around how much they believe in Cowser and Kjerstad. Can either one of those guys put up a 3 WAR season next year?

https://www.baltimorebaseball.com/2023/10/26/elias-hyde-henderson-win-sporting-news-awards/

Whoops, meant to post this in Orioles Talk.