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    Odor taking grounders at 3b

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    Posted · Edited by Pickles

    13 minutes ago, paullwaull said:

    I don't think we were even top 5 in double plays.

    We're 7th.  We average 0.87 turned per game.  Last year we averaged 0.62.  Thank you Jorge Mateo and Rougned Odor.

    Odor taking grounders at 3b

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    2 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

    Are the O's trying to turn Odor into a super utility player?  He can play lousy defense at any position?  Will have to make sure I watch the game the O's play Odor at 3rd, it could be laughably bad.

    You do realize Odor got a ton of time playing 3b for a playoff-bound NYY team last year, right?  What do you think he's going to do?  Throw the ball into Lf?

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    Shortstops, shortstops everywhere

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    6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

    - Jorge Mateo has been worth 2.3 rWAR in 105 games and his bat has been coming on of late.  

    - Gunnar Henderson is considered a top 10 prospect by many sources and has split his time between SS and 3B about equally.

    - Jordan Westburg is slumping a bit right now but has had a solid system switching between SS, 2B and 3B.

    - Joey Ortiz had a slow start this season but has destroyed AA the last five weeks and is considered the best defender at SS in our system.  

    - We just drafted high school SS phenomenal Jackson Holliday at 1:1.   He figures to start at Delmarva next year and move fast.   

    - We also paid a large overslot bonus to SS Carter Young to lure him from transferring from Vanderbilt to LSU.

    It’s going to be fascinating to see how this logjam at SS sorts itself out over the next 1-4 years.   


     

    Wasn't it Earl who said: Get as many shortstops as you can and figure it out later.

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    Nice to have a laugher for once

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    2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

    I don't know if 8-2 counts as a laugher but at least it felt like the Orioles were in control of this one from the jump.  

    And yesterday as well.  We're a class above the Rangers.

    Let's all remember that when everyone screams for free agents this winter.

    Trey Mancini Traded to the Astros

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    Just now, oriolefan1035 said:

    Looks like a better return than I was expecting… I’d still rather have kept Mancini though. Trading Mancini and calling up Diaz is an indication to the team that we’re punting this season. McDermott looks like a guy that might be a future pen piece, but may also never make MLB. Johnson looks like a good prospect, but will be 25 by the time he pitches again, has never pitched above A+, and will be coming back from TJS. We’re only 3 games out in August, just completed a 16-9 month of July, and there’s a substantial chance that we punted our season for a pair of guys that never even make MLB.

    We'll see who all they trade, but this gross exaggeration about Mancini's value to us.  Trading Mancini isn't punting; it's more like running a draw on 3 and 4.  He was gone at the end of the year anyway.

    Now if Santander and 2-3 Bp pieces go out the door, then yeah, they're punting.

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    Trade Deadline Primer/Thread

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    1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

    Well we don’t know the Padres are trying to give him away.  It’s speculation, not fact. With the way he’s pitching, they may very well want to hold onto him.

    And no, signing him doesn’t stop anything the Os would do.

    We'll see if he gets moved what his value really is.

    And you can keep pretending money doesn't matter, but it does.  Spending a dollar here means you can't spend a dollar there.  It's very simple logic.

    Trade Deadline Primer/Thread

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    4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    Ok..and the assets are plentiful even if you give him that money.  You don’t seem to be able to grasp that concept.  Snell stops nothing from happening.  You are going to have to pay for pitching anyway.  You have Lyles, a far worse pitcher, 10M.  

    Well, Lyles has been more valuable this year.  That whole availability thing is a pretty important ability.

    But yeah, if you guarantee Snell 16 mil next year you could preclude yourself from signing next year's Lyles.  Assets, even if you deem them plentiful, are not unlimited.

    20 mil for Snell's track record is not a particularly good bet.  It's why the Padres are basically giving him away.  And still haven't found a suitor.

    Trade Deadline Primer/Thread

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    Posted · Edited by Pickles

    2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

    You can say strawman as if you think that's some kind of argument-winner.  

    You didn't say Santander's injuries are a non-factor, but you really didn't address them as a factor in discussing him.  You can't really overlook them, he's pretty fragile.  If you're going to knock Snell for the "5 innings a month" then you should probably be looking at Santander in the same light.

    The only thing I said about Santander was if he stayed healthy and performing he'd be more valuable next year- which is addressing his injuries- and that he's worth more than Snell now- and according to the site cited above by owknows, I'm hardly out on a limb on that.

     

    BTW, I used the term strawman because that's exactly what you were doing.

    Trade Deadline Primer/Thread

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    4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    Why does the money matter?  The Os have no money on the books.  Snell is owed peanuts compared to his upside and even if he is just a 2ish WAR guy, he’s still fine.  

    If he pitches 70 innings, sure it’s too much but again, so what?  Risks will have to be taken.  

    Because money is an asset.  I tell you what, if it doesn't matte, why don't you give me all yours?

    Everything is a risk.  I'm not advocating never take a risk.  Hell, trading Mancini was a risk.

    I'm saying Snell is a bad risk imo.

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