Pickles

I don't need to beat a dead horse. I made my objections and reasons clear in the original thread. But what I want him to do is not hire such a character in the first place.

I'd call it wildy dishonest about Cal Perry and Cal Perry's career.

SportsGuy: Hays is a "4th outfielder at best." Direct quotation. Verbatim. Either you believe that, or you spew off constantly about things you don't actually believe just to hear yourself talk. Those are the only two possibilities.

You said "Hays is a fourth outfielder at best." That you have reasons for your claim is obvious. That doesn't mean that you are not making the claim that you just did. If I said, "Sports Guy was a POS poster, arrogant beyond belief, despite being constantly wrong about his projections, with a profound disconect from the economic realities in ML team building" and then somebody quoted me as saying "Sports Guy is a POS poster," would it more wrong or right of me to say, "Yes, I said and believe it" or "You took me out of context?" Obvious I have my reasons for thinking you're a POS poster, and just because they're not listed out with the original claim, doesn't mean the original claim is "taken out of context." Hope this clears it up for you.

I doesn't matter what reasons you gave. You said, "Hays is a fourth outfielder at best." You either believe that or don't. Or do you just spew a bunch of crap that you don't really mean?

You said "Hays is a fourth outfielder at best." I quoted you verbatim. Word for word. And for that you've called me a liar and a POS. LOL. If you don't want stupid things attributed to you, don't say stupid things. It's not complicated. But saying stupid things is just who you are. We've all gotten used to it long ago.

I'm directly quoting you. Those are your exact words. That you realize how stupid they are when you hear them said by someone else and not yourself should be a learning moment for you.

No, I'm directly quoting them. That's why I used direct quotations. And to be clear, I'm directly quoting you. The only person lying here is you. As always and forever.

If Santander maintains his improved discipline going forward, I'd probably take him. Wildcard makes an excellent point: Health will probably be a determing factor. But Frobby's OP makes some good points about recency bias. I mean we have prominent posters claiming Hays is a "fourth outfielder at best." That's laughable.

Wasn't there a story floating around after his season's World Series that somebody had placed a bet on the Astros over the Phillies in like April, when Philly was struggling, and it paid of like 1000:1. Found an article behind a paywall. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-24/world-series-betting-50-wager-on-astros-win-over-phillies-could-make-125-000?leadSource=uverify wall It paid off 125 K on a 50$ bet.

Which is a fair point. I don't know.

Sure. He's competing against Vavra.

Actually, I thought that was Duquette's saving grace. The rest of it was the problem, thus the end.

This. I'd have been happier with extensions for Adley and Gunnar than with the signing of any free agent. And I'd be fine with signing Cedric to a team friendly extension.

Now, who's taking shots? LOL. But yes, I was making a legitimate comment on the song.

You sell the board short.

Oh, I think plenty of franchises, and apparently our own, would prefer 1/18 for Gibson/Frazier vs. 3/120 for Bassit/Abreu. I mean, if we aren't going to use projections to make our cases we don't really have anything to talk about until July.

LOL! What? Where's the shot? I thought the electric guitar in the back of the Dad song was done well, with a clear nod to the original.

To your last point, not for long. They supplemented their roster in FA this year. You might not like the moves, and I'm not gungho about any of them, but they didn't ignore FA. They just did somehting differently than you would have. And the nature of that difference is being blown wildly out of proportion. We talked about it in the thread yesterday. Gibson/Frazier are projected to be worth 1.4 WAR less than Bassit/Abreu. That's viturally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I don't care about Vavra. His future is a utility guy. And that's the role I expect him to be in on OD. Ortiz isn't being impeded yet. He has 120 AAA PAs. This is not a Don Baylor situation at all. I'd also like to see him hit the ball for more than three months before I handed him a major league job. Frazier isn't delaying three guys. He's one man and one roster spot. He's delaying Westburg. I wouldn't have done it personally. But Elias is supposed to create logjams, also known as depth. That's the sign of a healthy organization. Was HOU creating a logjam when Carlos Correa was putting up a 7 WAR season and Jeremy Pena was OPS 950 in AAA? Why yes, yes they were. Was it a good thing for them? Why yes, yes it was. I think he's looking to make his trade this summer, and I think he's going to use the first three months of the season to evaluate what he's got. Despite a common misconception, those three months could reveal a lot of things.

A healthy organization acquires talent from every avenue possible. The only market that some successful clubs avoid is the top of the free agent market. Since Elias has arrived this club has drafted well; it's developed well; it's turned other's trash into gold well; it's traded solidly; even the FA signings- beyond the league minimum guys- have been fairly decent. We have yet to see a return from the International markets, but that should be of no surprise. If that's the case in 3 more years, we might have a problem there. All of those things are going to have more of an impact on winning and losing than one or two free agent contracts. It's really just that simple.

Yes, it wasn't bad. I thought the electric guitar was the best part.

I googled it and saw the Silverstein had written it. So the performer is a Cash impersonator? That's a thing I guess.

A lot of the disagreements on this board, despite giving the appearance of being cavernous, are often just disagreements about timing/scheduling. I don't agree that anyone is in danger of being devalued because they're not going to get the chance to play. Between 3b, SS, 2b, COF, and DH there are plenty of at bats for Urias, Mateo, Henderson, and Frazier. I concede that Westburg's major league career will be delayed, but short of performing poorly in AAA, that won't hurt his value. Additionaly, I would say it is a common misconception to look at the players as stocks and bonds, and look to sell high. It is not the GM's duty to get the max value for every player he can in a trade; it is his duty to maximize his value to the organization. Now, yes, sometimes that is exactly by trading him for the most value he can return, but even more often it is getting the player to produce value on the field for the Baltimore Orioles. An extreme example is Adley Rutschman. His peak trade value is now. It's only going down as he gets more expensive and closer to FA. Does Elias need to strike while the iron is hot and extract the most he can for Rutschman right now? Or do we let Adley Rutschman contribute to winning games in Baltimore and extract value that way? I think we would all agree it is the latter. Urias and Mateo are less extreme examples but it is the same rationale.

Well, you tell me. You knew he was bad at it last year, and now you're saying he's good at it. What will you be saying next year? This is a good thread idea though. If I can get over my terminal laziness I think I'd like to make a comparison between what we've gotten off the waiver wire the last few years, versus what teams in comparable situtionans- Det, KC,- have gotten.