EddeeEddee
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Great thread and great news! Hope your head feels better and good luck trying to figure out women
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6 hours ago, vab said:
The Tigers are closer to 1st place than the Orioles are right now so I wouldn't think he's available.
Good point but they're a lot further from the Wild Card.
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You just don't know who is going to become good, great, decent, or completely fall off a cliff -- or get hurt. It would seem the teams that produce the best pitchers again and again over time do not put all their eggs in a few starting pitcher baskets. Look at the Top 30 prospect lists for the Dodgers, Guardians, Rays, and especially the Yankees. They are loaded with pitchers.
The Orioles are due for some good luck in the pitching department, but they will have to help that luck along by dealing -- from both the major and minor league level -- for some promising arms. I think Elias is headed in this direction already with the moves he made for pitchers like Seth Johnson and Cade Povich. They need more.
That said I'm not so worried about any early struggles from the young O's starters. Even Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson struggled early on. Not everyone can be Mike Mussina.
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On 5/7/2023 at 2:42 PM, Frobby said:
TBH, I hate these speculative trade threads. The trades that actually occur never look anything like the ones that posters invent. We can spend all day arguing about how good Dylan Cease is or isn’t and what we should or shouldn’t give up to get him, but to me it’s a big waste of my energy. I’m not telling anyone else not to start these threads or spend their time arguing about these hypotheticals. It just isn’t for me.
Some of us find it fun but, yes, only up to a point.
Btw, Dylan Cease got rocked again recently. Doubt the White Sox would sell low on him, but if he were to be dealt now it would be for a heck of a lot less than discussed on this thread.
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9 hours ago, Il BuonO said:
Mullins is crushing lefties, he doesn’t need a platoon partner.
Fine by me but then why is Hyde platooning him -- unless he is just resting him when a LHP is on the mound? I think in the past year or so he didn't hit lefties that well.
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2 hours ago, Brooks The Great said:
Westburg up for Torrens, Cowser up for McKenna, Ortiz up for Urias if Ramon has to miss time.
Givens for Akin. Or Vespi for Akin for a few days until Givens is ready.
The thing is, McKenna can play CF and, with a right now .918 OPS against lefties, platoons pretty well with Mullins. I know McKenna's got his flaws, but not sure how both Stowers and Cowser up on the O's make sense right now when they are both lefties -- unless the O's move someone in a trade (or obviously if someone is hurt).
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20 hours ago, deward said:
I wouldn't consider Andrew Miller underwhelming. He pitched very well for the O's down the stretch in '14, as well as in the playoffs. No one would have any regrets about that trade if that run had ended with a championship.
Yes, but in a vacuum trading a highly regarded starter for any relief pitcher, especially a rental, is a high price to pay for a budget conscious team like the O's. It's a Yankee move but not a Rays move.
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1 minute ago, Bemorewins said:
Again nobody is getting Holliday and Henderson for ANYBODY let alone Dylan Cease. If you need context I would suggest looking at what the Nats got for Soto and lower that price a littl.
In no world is Dylan Cease more valued in the game that Juan Soto was. Just look at their resumes. As a matter of fact, just look at Cease non 2022 seasons, including this current one.
Now on to a realistic price for Cease, I think it's possible that they ask for one of Gunnar or Holliday certainly, and we will have to give them another one or two top 100 guys. I don't see us parting with Gunnar OR Holliday and then turning around and giving them Cowser too. Cowser is currently a top 35 guy and soon to be top 30 guy. That's simply too much for Cease. Maybe if it was Alcantara, I think that would be realistic. But not Cease.
And by the way, what incentive would the O's have to pay that ridiculously high asking price? I assure you that no one else in the game can offer anything anywhere near that.
Bemore, you're missing the point. We're talking about who the White Sox would ask for in their initial ask. You have a starting point in a negotiation and then work toward an agreement. It's that way in any industry. No doubt The Nats asked for quite a bit more than they got when they were haggling with teams for Soto. I'd be curious who was in their initial ask when they were talking to the Padres. And like I've said when chatting with you before, the White Sox need to a bit crazy in their ask because a) they're terrible and b) someone might be desperate enough to bite. And I don't think Soto is a good comparison because Soto is a position player. Without looking it up I'd say elite starters that are affordable rarely become available mid-season.
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19 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:
I’ve never thought of him as more than a mid rotation guy. Heavily dependent on the success of his CH. Without it he’s mediocre.
Well, Johan Santana would have been pretty mediocre without his changeup too. Not saying Means has the changeup Santana had, but just saying.
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Just now, Il BuonO said:
Henderson, DL Hall, Cowser and maybe a MLer like Santander or Hays.
Yeah I think that's pretty close though I'm guessing they'd at least ask for Holliday over Cowser, maybe would want Hays but not Santander (too close to FA) and would ask for another player outside the Top 10 prospects.
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Nice start by Kremer. Crossed fingers he gains some confidence from this and settles down into something like last season.
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3 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
First time since 1977 according to this tweet.
Oy vey, that's a long time.
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I think with a 9-1 lead you let Kremer go another inning or at least until he gets in trouble. I don't understand using the bullpen that early in this game.
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11 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
I think it was a bad idea to have him bat leadoff for the first time against someone like Fried.
Have him bat leadoff in a series against the A's or some other pathetic team.
Mullins should always leadoff imo
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1 hour ago, owknows said:
I've read this thread closely, and I have concluded that a significant portion of it was contributed from behind a dumpster under the dim light of a crack pipe.
Want a hit?
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1 hour ago, Jagwar said:
If Elias won't draft pitching, and he won't trade prospects for TOR starters, how will the O's ever have a WS caliber rotation?
It's hard to imagine him not trading for pitching. In fact, I think it is the expressed strategy that they will. Just might not be as soon as we would like.
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5 minutes ago, ShoelesJoe said:
Sure they would. I would if I was in their place, and so would you. You're the GM of a sinking ship organization who has but two prospects in the top 100, and none in the top 30. All of a sudden the GM of the organization with the best minor league system in baseball, with 9 top 100 prospects (and maybe 12-13 if truth be told) calls you asking about your most valuable starting pitcher. What's going to be your starting position for a trade negotiation? I'll tell you what that position is going to be -- you're going to do everything in your power to pillage and rape that guy's minor league system. Picture Al Pacino in Heat screaming "GIVE ME ALL YOU GOT!" Any GM who wouldn't start out by asking for too much doesn't deserve to be a GM.
Yeah, this is the same point I made in the other thread. The White Sox will ask for the moon as an initial starting point if they are getting lots of calls about him. They still have him for more than 2 years. But based on a shaky start to the season you do have to wonder if they may be more willing to negotiate if they fear he may underperform throughout the season.
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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Norris wasn't a rentall
Right, not the best example. Guess they had him for a couple years.
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2 minutes ago, royalstillman said:
The development of pitchers in this organization is and has been for decades absolutely putrid.To this day,it just doesn't seem to be prioritized.Defense wins games,wins championships.Pitching is defense.I love what Elias has done with the hitting aspect,but he has failed miserably with the pitching,as have many,many past regimes.And Peter and sons have never seemed to think it important.As a fan it is very frustrating.
It hasn't been that bad when you consider the Orioles developed guys like Eduardo Rodriguez and Josh Hader. They just happened to trade them away for underwhelming rentals. They also developed Kevin Gausman and Jake Arrieta, two flawed late bloomers sure, but still ultimately successful pitchers. Some might argue the problem with Arrieta was really a coaching problem.
I guess The O's should do like the Rays and trade for young pitching instead of trading it away.
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3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
Eduardo Rodriguez is basically a rental. He’s a much likelier target and more likely available.
Agreed. Of course, rentals have their own risks when you consider how much the Orioles had to give up for Scott Feldman and Bud Norris. In other words, as long as the Orioles don't give away any good pitching for a rental.
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2 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
I like some of your ideas regarding making a trade, but the highlighted package get's you nowhere near Cease IMO. Yes it's 3 top 100 guys, but none in the top 60.
Heck, I hope that I am wrong and the CHI SOX would be dumb enough to do that.
Hard to say. Funny, before you were criticizing me for saying it would take a huge trade to get Cease. Now you think my speculative trade is too skimpy on the O's part. You could be right. Maybe I'm all over the map now, but Cease's slow start would have to factor in. If the Orioles can play on any White Sox fears that Cease's slow start may continue, maybe the O's can get him without having to give up Henderson, Holliday or Cowser. Even so the White Sox could say they want, say Urias or even Austin Hays in a deal -- or one of the better relievers. Who knows?
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2 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:
2 months of any player including Ohtani is not enough for Holliday. I would love to have Ohtani on this team, but no way are the O's/Angelos signing Ohtani to the biggest free agent deal ever. They can't even sign Adley to an extension.
The Angels are playing pretty well. Can't see them trading Ohtani. And can't see the Orioles trading for him. He's a FA after this season.
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41 minutes ago, Just Regular said:
The Luhnow teams have acquired the Verlander, Cole, Greinke guy thrice and never once included the big blue chip.
I have a feeling Kyle Bradish could be a Joe Musgrove character in some circumstances.
Verlander and Greinke were already older and making a lot of money.
Cole is an interesting comparison. Looking at his stats his numbers weren't that great the season before he was traded(he had an ERA over 4), and he was 2 years away from free agency. Good comparison for a potential Cease trade except that Cease has 2+ years before FA where Cole was traded in the offseason, giving him 2 years to FA.
In retrospect the Cole trade looks almost like a steal for the Astros. Can't remember if it looked lopsided at the time or if it was considered an OK trade.
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3 hours ago, ThomasTomasz said:
Oh I agree 100%. If they didn’t want to allocate the funds for a true #1 like Verlander, I don’t see them emptying the farm for one either.
They know they have to trade some guys soon or they'll have a log jam. If they don't trade what it takes to get a true #1 this season it may be because they don't believe Cease or anyone else available is one.
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