Since1984

Wait….that’s my pie ! (80’s reference) back to the Orioles, what will they serve us fans in 2023!?

The Orioles success in finding good value for 2022’s playoff run completely relates to the rebuild phase, and the teams position on the waiver wire (Rule V, Lopez, Urias, Mateo, Wells, Voth, Etc.). About 15 WAR just on waiver pick ups this past year. I watched the first Friday MASN show, new, and got the jist of Sig’s perspective: The Orioles exceeded expectations. (Let’s add to that thread, much more depth potential to discuss during 2023). The Orioles do not have any secret magic sauce, but they are currently probing for it (O’s Magic). I like the Giant’s, as a perfect example! How many title’s??? Every successful team has a rebound approach on a SP and/or MOB, each year (e.g. Nelson Cruz, or Gausman and Rodon for SF) . The O’s are now pushing that potential envelope and seeing what sticks. I like this team moving forward, and for the first time in years.

Definitely see this team running on all cylinders for at least good portions of this coming season and hope that pushes to a better record. Main concern is last year’s roster had several waiver wire acquisition’s, during the rebuild, total roughy 15 war (bref). It’s not likely to see them repeat that in ‘23, but I do hope Hays, Mountcastle etc, offset the difference. Also, depth and potential is better this season.

My $400m was a rough estimate but your higher amount seems more likely. Hope there is not a way to avoid a sale, which is a concern (paranoid or not) that messes with this competitive window we are starting to open!

Hope this is the scenario going on in the warehouse! One that Elias signed up for to accomplish (with liftoff)

If the Forbes estimate of 1.4b is the Orioles sales price and they bought for 400m in the early 90’s that is $400m in inheritance tax, assuming a 40% tax rate. I’m sure there are ways around paying the entire liability in one year, but that puts the O’s in a less desirable spot for years to come, if the team is not sold. The team cannot compete in the $160-240m salary range (e.g Astros), in this scenario.

Have wondered about this a number of times this off-season. How much money has the ownership group pocketed the last several years. Could this add up to the group keeping the team, instead. That scares me, since it could take another several offseason’s like this

72 wins would be my low end estimate, with some bad luck in injuries and net team regression (overall).

Am hopeful that these net variances improve by a couple of WAR+ for the O’s in 2023. How many waiver wire pickups has this team converted to 2022’s success. Based on bref it’s around 15 WAR (Mateo, Uriah, Lopez, Perez, Baker, Voth). Maybe theses added veterans need health and a few more chances for a bounce back season, but I agree with you that this current offseason could result in the team going backwards.

Carter’s athleticism intrigued me, when first reading about this draft pick, with comparisons to a Zack Greinke type level, as an athlete. Hope the shoulder injury is just a hiccup to 2023!