Jones - "I'm not an accountant...You Have to Spend Some of the Money"

[Stotle]

They're not my estimates they are baseball references. Take it up with them. Who knows who will be tendered contracts and who wont and what the actual arb. figures .You don't. Just a guestimate. the point being we are going to have to pay for these players somehow, and more likely through 2017 the cost will rise.

Yeah but you ****ed it up. The actual numbers from baseball-reference are:

2016 - $84 MM

2017 - $104 MM

2018 - $107 MM

Which makes a lot more sense.

[Stotle]

I'm not sure why you (and perhaps others) seem to take the view that Jones is just a mere player, an employee, and just doesn't understand the workings of management. I'm retired now, but when I was working (I worked in IT as an applications programmer), most people where I worked did understand the workings of our management because, for the most part, it was explained to us. We were not considered "mere IT people who just don't understand management's goals."

Being a long-term employee, signed for several years, I would expect that AJ would care about long term ramifications about the team that he works for. It's clear from AJ's comments that he cares very much about the team's long-term future.

As for DD, I don't think that DD secretly was trying to help the Blue Jays in the 2015 off season. I just believe that DD made some errors in baseball judgment.

The vast majority of players don't understand how decisions are made in the FO, or why. I'm sure Jones cares about long-term issues, but I doubt very much he's looking at and considering the same data the FO is when reaching conclusions about what he thinks the team should be doing.

[Going Underground]

What do you think the reaction would be from the fan base if the orioles go into a full rebuilding mode? Trade Jones, Britton,

Hardy etc for prospects.

Hardy has no value. Torn labrum and his contract goes up each year.

[weams]

Hardy has no value. Torn labrum and his contract goes up each year.

He has value. Just not any trade value. It's a bad contract no matter what now.

[weams]

The vast majority of players don't understand how decisions are made in the FO, or why. I'm sure Jones cares about long-term issues, but I doubt very much he's looking at and considering the same data the FO is when reaching conclusions about what he thinks the team should be doing.

He is also a union member, and a high profile player advocate.

[weams]

The vast majority of players don't understand how decisions are made in the FO, or why. I'm sure Jones cares about long-term issues, but I doubt very much he's looking at and considering the same data the FO is when reaching conclusions about what he thinks the team should be doing.

You will never see a well paid "star" advocate a conservative approach to team spending. In the short term or the long term. You will never hear one say, "We are a middle of the road team, it would be better to trade all of the higher priced members of my team. Don't trade me, I'll stay. But just fill the other 24 slots with cost effective players and give the rookies a chance."

[Going Underground]

He has value. Just not any trade value. It's a bad contract no matter what now.

Sorry. I meant trade value. He does have value to his wife. Nice income coming in.

[weams]

Sorry. I meant trade value. He does have value to his wife. Nice income coming in.

That right. He did finally get married. Another reason he had a down year. They all do. Except Manny. He's a miracle.

[DrungoHazewood]

He has value. Just not any trade value. It's a bad contract no matter what now.

Not if he gets better. It might just be a flesh wound.

[TouchemAll]

JMHO, but I don't think Buck is here to be part of a full blown trade them all blow up.

If Buck stays as manager then that will not happen.

[abbott]

What do you think the reaction would be from the fan base if the orioles go into a full rebuilding mode? Trade Jones, Britton,

Hardy etc for prospects.

No change in the casual fan base. The hard core fans,as evidenced by message boards, will back the front office and ownership over the players, as usual. The everyday fan who goes to games and watches MASN will support them team until it losses. But O's fans root for the name on front of the jersey not back. Great fans e en though the team has made 4 playoff appearances in 30 years

[24fps]

This team needs Davis to re-sign, add a couple of solid pitchers(maybe one lefty starter) and try and add a decent bat for LF or RF. They COULD no re-sign Davis but instead go after someone like Cespedes, but to me its the same scenario, not good enough. I'll say this, if they think Mancini is ready to thrive in the big leagues with power, they are mistaken. Power bats are hard to come by and we can't lose two 40+HR hitters in consecutive years without alienating our true fans. Simply put, these fans deserve better.

How long have you been an Orioles fan Roy? Since 1961 for me.

I think being the fan of any team quickly becomes more like a marriage than a summer fling and it's easy overstate the dire consequences of not signing this or that player.

[Aristotelian]

I wish AJ would try to influence Davis to accept a team-friendly deal and stay with the team, at least as much as he is trying to influence the organization. I think he has at least a 1-2% chance of success with Davis, as opposed to zero with the organization.

[Nevermore]

It's so easy that I refuse, if you are that stupid, or lazy it's a waste of time.

Gee, thanks for all of your help. :rolleyestf:

[osfan83]

I wish AJ would try to influence Davis to accept a team-friendly deal and stay with the team, at least as much as he is trying to influence the organization. I think he has at least a 1-2% chance of success with Davis, as opposed to zero with the organization.

Yes, I think it goes both ways. If AJ is sincere that he wants to keep the band together and thinks they can win (and I believe he is), then he should be talking with both sides in the negotiation.