Gallardo - Roch: deal is DONE (signed)

[Dr. Unk]

Let's play some damn baseball already!!

Exactly!!!

[Teddy OBP]

I usually stay out of this stuff with other journalists, but this really is a ridiculous piece. Did Angelos meddle back with Jim Duquette was running things with Flanagan, absolutely. To suggest the Orioles use medicals as leverage when the deal ended basically the same if Gallardo holds up is ridiculous. The team used due diligence to protect themselves in case Gallardo falls apart. If Gallardo stays healthy and productive he'll get his money and we'll all be happy.

The worst part about it isn't that it's a garbage article or that he embarrassed himself, but that he essentially cribbed it all from Hollandsworths and Phillips take on mlb radio this morning at 7. Both bad and unoriginal.

[weams]

The worst part about it isn't that it's a garbage article or that he embarrassed himself, but that he essentially cribbed it all from Hollandsworths and Phillips take on mlb radio this morning at 7. Both bad and unoriginal.

Inaccuracies and all.

[Going Underground]

Changing the 3rd year from a guaranteed year to a team option is not a small thing. That's pretty big. The media didn't blow it up. Something in the physical made the Orioles restructure the deal and Gallardo accept about $13M less in guaranteed money. Yes, the deal got done like you said. No, the media didn't blow it out of proportion. The revised deal is proof of that.

The local reporters did not oversell it.They mostly said his arm looks like any pitchers arm at his age.Also restructuring a deal is a big deal.Who knows what the player feels about all this.Might not know for a long while.

[Dipper9]

The local reporters did not oversell it.They mostly said his arm looks like any pitchers arm at his age.Also restructuring a deal is a big deal.Who knows what the player feels about all this.Might not know for a long while.

With all due respect, I could care less what the player thinks. They want to say it's a business, then don't get upset when the team treats it as a business. Nobody cried for the Orioles when Davis weasiled an extra 10 million in his deal, so why should the team get grief here? Gallardo will be fine, and if he's secretly mad, who cares!

[CaptainRedbeard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal">@Ken_Rosenthal</a> Really poor judgement to suggest the Orioles "trapped" Gallardo. How come they didn't do it to Fowler? @axtogrindwithorioles</p>? Orioles Hangout (@OriolesHangout) <a href="

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To piggyback on this...How come the Orioles didn't "trap" Ubaldo as well?

-Same time in the offseason

-QO pick attached, hadn't signed Cruz yet

-Longer contract (4 years guaranteed)

-Slightly higher AAV ($13MM to $12.67MM)

-Nearly identical record of durability, no arm issues, same age

-During an offseason with FAR less willingness to spend money

[Chavez Ravine]

I don't know of anyone who said that. You would have to talk to a doctor who looked at the MRI's or at least have talked to one. Doubtful, the Oriole doctors said it looks like your average 30 year old pitcher's arm and then advised the Orioles "buyer beware". Unless you believe the Orioles bargained in bad faith, common sense says they saw something abnormal for a healthy 30 year old pitcher.

Of course, it's fair to ask how many ML pitchers at 30 years of age or older would be able to pass the Orioles physical to their satisfaction on a multi year, high contract deal. Ubaldo did.

I also sort of suspect that there were some that wanted to nix the deal altogether, and contrary to the Rosenthal narrative the Orioles still took on some risk (in their eyes) agreeing to restructure the deal.

[Going Underground]

I don't know of anyone who said that. You would have to talk to a doctor who looked at the MRI's or at least have talked to one. Doubtful, the Oriole doctors said it looks like your average 30 year old pitcher's arm and then advised the Orioles "buyer beware". Unless you believe the Orioles bargained in bad faith, common sense says they saw something abnormal for a healthy 30 year old pitcher.

Of course, it's fair to ask how many ML pitchers at 30 years of age or older would be able to pass the Orioles physical to their satisfaction on a multi year, high contract deal. Ubaldo did.

Britt and Encina basically said that.I will try to get the quotes later.

[Sir_Loin]

I don't know of anyone who said that. You would have to talk to a doctor who looked at the MRI's or at least have talked to one. Doubtful, the Oriole doctors said it looks like your average 30 year old pitcher's arm and then advised the Orioles "buyer beware". Unless you believe the Orioles bargained in bad faith, common sense says they saw something abnormal for a healthy 30 year old pitcher.

Of course, it's fair to ask how many ML pitchers at 30 years of age or older would be able to pass the Orioles physical to their satisfaction on a multi year, high contract deal. Ubaldo did.

Britt and Encina said it. They said like I said, it wasn't a major injury issue. They just had a question about wear and tear on the shoulder.

[Going Underground]

From Britt Ghiroli:

Gallardo isn't showing any symptoms of a shoulder breakdown. What showed up on MRI is fairly common in pitchers. Most don't have an issue.

This was on Britt Ghiroli twitter account and I posted earlier this afternoon.

[waroriole]

This team might hunt. I feel like I did when we signed Kevin Brown.

I like our guys.

[Obando]

I'm a Peter Gammons fan, but he looks pretty bad too for writing an article yesterday that made it sound like a foregone conclusion that the deal was dead. He just got quotes from some players saying it sounded bad without having all the facts. I think these days with social media as prevalent as it is, everyone is looking for a scoop and trying to make headlines to get a reaction. I don't think Gammons has an agenda against the Orioles, but it's very apparent that Rosenthal does.

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[Sir_Loin]

I'm a Peter Gammons fan, but he looks pretty bad too for writing an article yesterday that made it sound like a foregone conclusion that the deal was dead. He just got quotes from some players saying it sounded bad without having all the facts. I think these days with social media as prevalent as it is, everyone is looking for a scoop and trying to make headlines to get a reaction. I don't think Gammons has an agenda against the Orioles, but it's very apparent that Rosenthal does.

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That's why I told everyone not to freak out, we were going to get the deal done.

[Sir_Loin]

So you believe the Orioles signed him to a 3 year guaranteed contract thinking he didn't have normal wear and tear on the shoulder?

Or you think they knew he would have normal wear and tear and used that to renege on the original deal?

Or the most logical answer. The Orioles found more than normal wear and tear on the shoulder?

It was known when the MRI results came back.

[BradyBunch]

So you believe the Orioles signed him to a 3 year guaranteed contract thinking he didn't have normal wear and tear on the shoulder?

Or you think they knew he would have normal wear and tear and used that to renege on the original deal?

Or the most logical answer. The Orioles found more than normal wear and tear on the shoulder?

I think it's a bit of both. Orioles thought he would have wear and tear as all Pitchers do (and fielders) but they (Doctors) saw something that points to a 3rd year might be a risk. Gallardo (his camp) and the Orioles wanted a deal so both sides came to a reasonable conclusion. If Gallardo is everything was before this physical, his option will be picked up. If not, both sides understand why.