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22 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

That is such a ridiculous overstatement. Most of the board was against signing Kris Bryant. Most were in favor of signing Stroman/pitcher and an infielder. Nobody said we shouldn't try. 

Per usual, you miss the bigger picture.  This isn’t just about signing one or 2 guys.  It’s about making trades, calling players up earlier, etc…

And no, most people weren’t into signing big ticket FAs because most felt we not only wouldn’t contend in 2022 but that 2023 was a long shot and spending money and using up resources for those years didn’t make sense.

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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Per usual, you miss the bigger picture.  This isn’t just about signing one or 2 guys.  It’s about making trades, calling players up earlier, etc…

And no, most people weren’t into signing big ticket FAs because most felt we not only wouldn’t contend in 2022 but that 2023 was a long shot and spending money and using up resources for those years didn’t make sense.

No per usual, you are making generalizations about the narrative of the entire board and assuming anyone who isn't with you 100% is against you 100%. I think if you go back and look at the threads, many folks (including myself) were supportive of the idea of trading Mullins for Meyer (which would have been a disaster for this year!) as well as signing a better FA than Lyles. Just about everyone was bummed that all we got was Odor, Owings, and Lyles, although not everyone was as mad about it as you. The board may have had different ideas about who to sign and how much to spend but to say there was a mantra that we shouldn't try is massively unfair. 

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5 hours ago, maybenxtyr said:

I feel like I'm partly to blame here. I haven't been to a game in 12+ years but we got tickets last week for a game during the Houston series. It's been downhill ever since.

We took our kiddo to his first OPACY game Spenser Watkins no good very bad Sunday last weekend.

I agree wherever in the high 70's/low 80's it falls is a nothingburger compared to the overall growth this year.     Hopefully the degree to which Elias will need to bid high to draw serious interest from good players will be a bit less with the opportunity for Team success off of absolute zero.

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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

We found out that can do it at this level. We don’t know if they can sustain it over a longer period of time.  2 distinctly different things and the difference in the 2 is very important when deciding how to build the team next year.

The defense for Urias is new, that’s true.   Honestly wasn’t thinking about that. The hitting is not.  He has always hit no matter where he has been.

Well, I know how you would build a team for next year and I have a pretty good idea how Elias will build a team for next year and I suspect that he's going into next year figuring Kremer, Wells, Bradish, and Rodriguez are in his starting rotation.  By the way, Rodriguez/Voth would make a great tandem since Roth doesn't go that deep and Rodriguez will be a on a limit next year.   I do believe it's a mistake to bring Lyles back but who knows.   I would like to see them spend for a TOR but it's never been done here and I'm not really expecting that type of signing.

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38 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

No per usual, you are making generalizations about the narrative of the entire board and assuming anyone who isn't with you 100% is against you 100%. I think if you go back and look at the threads, many folks (including myself) were supportive of the idea of trading Mullins for Meyer (which would have been a disaster for this year!) as well as signing a better FA than Lyles. Just about everyone was bummed that all we got was Odor, Owings, and Lyles, although not everyone was as mad about it as you. The board may have had different ideas about who to sign and how much to spend but to say there was a mantra that we shouldn't try is massively unfair. 

I never said every fan felt the way I’m saying.  I said most of the board.

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24 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Well, I know how you would build a team for next year and I have a pretty good idea how Elias will build a team for next year and I suspect that he's going into next year figuring Kremer, Wells, Bradish, and Rodriguez are in his starting rotation.  By the way, Rodriguez/Voth would make a great tandem since Roth doesn't go that deep and Rodriguez will be a on a limit next year.   I do believe it's a mistake to bring Lyles back but who knows.   I would like to see them spend for a TOR but it's never been done here and I'm not really expecting that type of signing.

He may go into the season with that rotation..but it won’t be what he wants.  It will be what ownership allows.

You always seem to confuse my disdain for what the team does with Elias and ownership.  9 times out of 10, it’s ownership.

I don’t think I would even need a $90M budget for the team I would like to see next year.

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28 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He may go into the season with that rotation..but it won’t be what he wants.  It will be what ownership allows.

You always seem to confuse my disdain for what the team does with Elias and ownership.  9 times out of 10, it’s ownership.

I don’t think I would even need a $90M budget for the team I would like to see next year.

I didn't talk about Mike Elias wanted.  I talked about what he's likely to do.   Maybe I'm not the one who's confused.

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