Camden_yardbird

Cardiac Kimbrel strikes hard. I can't watch him.

Just DFA the worst hitter on the team. Who is this Holliday guy anyway and why is he wasting ABs for good players like Mateo? Honestly, I think it's a fine time for the Orioles to risk losing guys and creating a little flexibility. I know people don't like Ramirez but I think Baumann who is the only reliever outside Cano who has given up more hits than IP is that guy. You just can't be sporting a whip of 2.00. Then maybe it ramirez, or even IL Cano and get him straightened out, and see what Suarez can do as a 7th inning guy with Coulomb sliding into that set up role. Yea, that first paragraph is sarcasm.

Per se? Santander is top 10 in RBI in the league. There is no per se. And has the Holliday experience thus far, or Cowser last year, taught anyone that prospects don't automatically hit even if they were hot in AAA.

Fans "what are you doing Elias, Holliday needs to be here to get the draft pick!" Elias "Hold my Natty Boh"

This team looks a lot more like that 6 more old thoroughbred who doesn't quite understand how to put it all together than last year's. And I would have expected the opposite to be true.

That slide by Cowser, whether out or safe, was an absolutely outstanding show of athleticism. He literally switched up from a heads first slide to getting his foot in first because that was the path of least resistance. Can honestly say I have never seen that.

Wait, I thought we were hamstringing last years team by leaving Westburg and Cowser in the minors for Frazier and McKenna?

I was between extend player or Elias. Without knowing what Elias current contract is tho, that's kind of hard. He could be the highest paid GM in the league for all we know.

Yes an no. There are a few things I think people point to that are false signs of parity and I do believe that baseball with its current rule structure has effectively ended parity. I also think it will slowly kill itself in small markets where stars are developed and leave. 9 winners in the last 10 years is not a sign of parity when considering payroll. It is when considering there are 30 teams. But that's a false equivalency. The argument that teams spend and don't win is also a terrible argument. Did you know, remarkably, that 9 of the top 10 payrolls in the game don't win each year. Astounding! Flip it around. In the last 10 years only 2 teams outside of the top 10 in payroll have won. 15 years...add one more. The last 5 years (OD Payroll): 4th, 8th, 10th, 1st, 4th... And that's not accounting for in season trades like adding scherzer to last year's Rangers. So there are a bunch of bad arguments that there is parity, but a single team spending...not a big deal. They are right about that. It is NECESSARY to spend to win the World Series, however it is not SUFFICIENT to spend to win the world series. The first part is what I dont like, that said, at this point I think my qualm is more with the billionaire owners who don't spend than it is the system. The second part is why I don't really care about the Dodgers spending a billion dollars. It doesn't mean they will win, it's just means they have a better shot at it. 9 out of 10 top payrolls don't win. I will say this as relates to the Orioles....only 1 team outside of the top 15 payrolls has won the WS since 1995. So... It's time to spend some F-ing money. And that doesn't have to be on bad FA contracts. Sign your own guys.

Not even good enough for the manager to consider bringing in for a winner take all play off game...guys a bum. Too soon? Yes. The answer is yes.

What I fear is the 2015 Pirates. That team won 98 games and looked poised to be a competitor for years and their cheap owner added John Jaso and Jon Niese in the off season. The wheels came off and they were never the same team.

What a joke of a team. They won't learn anything from this post season.

To make our Sunday even more trashtacular.

Does anyone else see Mark Texiera when they look at Nathaniel Lowe...and then start seeing red?

I grew up in the 80's and 90's. Ripken should be favorite Oriole ever, but it's Adam. He just had a connection and was such a great leader for the team.

Not high on trading for a guy at his highest value who has failed to meet that value in the previous 3 years due to injury. 56, 68, 98 games played the previous 3 years. Also no way you walk away with Robert without giving up one, if not two of the guys you mentioned. Maybe Cowser + Basallo gets you there? I agree that the Orioles won't go into 2024 or 2025 with a fully homegrown roster and should expect to compete that way. But I don't expect Elias to ever go get someone at peak value. He will look for underperformance and trade for bounceback candidates.

And the book is conclusively closed on evaluating that trade.

Too simplistic to just measure HRs. It doesn't account for things like pitching strategies, matchups, other teams positioning of their LFers leading to hits (especially teams with worse LFers than Hays).

His stance doesn't acknowledge that it's not an equal system and that every team can't operate the same way. Some examples: When the Mets made Verlander available they were still dealing from a position of power. He was owed a lot this year and next year but they have the resources for that. They also could include money to get more prospects. When the Yankees traded Chapman for Torres he was about to become a free agent. But they went into those negotiations telling teams "look, if you don't give us what we want we will hold on to him, and have a really old shot of resigning him in the offseason." It's different for smaller market teams. They don't have the leverage. So when the Orioles traded Machado, or the Rockies traded Arenado those were done with the offering teams knowing they didn't have the leverage, it was trade or lose. So to try and follow the quoted model, over time the Orioles would see more talent go out than come in. They like the Rays have to deal where there is value, but their farm system is literally the teams most valuable commodity, maybe even more so than the major league roster. You build a good team and you play for chances at championship.

Can't Wait. Rich Hill: 88 mph Average FB. 84 mph average pitch speed. Pitches 8IP start Bautista comes in for the save. 99.4 mph average FB. Hitters: "I think I might go take up pickleball..."

I tend to agree. There is only one positive metric here and it's spin rate. But the Os love spin rate. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/michael-lorenzen-547179?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

Get ragged on for having too many Orioles on my AL Only fantasy baseball team last week. List 3 or 4 non Orioles including Fujinami. Based on this logic we will be acquiring Cory Seager and Randy Arozarena shortly.

So Norby looks like he's 1. Pretty close to the majors 2. Limited mostly to SS and or 2B 3. The centerpiece of this deal While I think that Pittsburgh might take this deal I don't know that it makes sense for them. They currently have Kebryan Hayes locked in at third. Oniell Cruz has been injured but is far and away a better prospect than Norby, and their current 2B, nick Gonzalez, has favorable if not straight better stats than Norby in AAA and has gotten off to hot start in the majors. I look at the Pirates this year as the Orioles of last. They won't make the playoffs but they are also very competitive and are sitting on a strong farm that should push them into contention next year. They aren't in "amass prospects phase". That said the proposed trade looks a bit like the trade with the twins last year. So maybe. Just some observations from someone who may be a bit more familiar with the current landscape of the pirates than some other fans here.

You need so much more context than to shake your head at a deal that you think the Orioles should have beaten. No report that the Orioles were also interested. No report of what would have been asked for out of the Os farm. A headscratcher is like "Orioles stand firm at trade deadline despite 3rd best record."

"So it starts" or whatever that thread is? Maybe unneccisarily reactive or impetuous are more to your liking?