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    Winter Meetings Thread

    in Orioles Talk

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    Just now, Sports Guy said:

    They absolutely have to trade some prospects. It’s foolish to say otherwise.

    The trades don’t have to be this offseason but it makes little sense to wait. 

    What if they traded the veterans instead?

    Winter Meetings Thread

    in Orioles Talk

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    2 minutes ago, 24fps said:

    Nobody ever lost betting that John Angelos is a cheapskate, but the O's have too many prospects and need to get rid of some of them.  My preference would be for pitching.

    I think if it was really like that, Elias would be trading the veterans.

    Winter Meetings Thread

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

    For the second time, I never said HE was anti extension. Never even insinuated it.

    What I said is that this argument that it’s an “unfair system” is a lie. It’s a cover up for our awful owner.  It’s nothing more than that.

    I just wish members if the media would actually call him out on it and ask why the smallest market teams are able to do it but not the Os.

    Do what?

    Sign extensions?  LOL.

    Calm down bro.  I'm not trying to fight ya.

    Winter Meetings Thread

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    The smallest of the small market teams give out pre arbitration extensions.  It’s a flat out lie to talk about it.

    They aren’t doing because of Angelos..not because of the system. 

    This is at least implying he was referring to extensions.  But ok, not directly.

     

    Winter Meetings Thread

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    3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    The smallest of the small market teams give out pre arbitration extensions.  It’s a flat out lie to talk about it.

    They aren’t doing because of Angelos..not because of the system. 

    No snark, but did I miss something in those comments that Elias said that was against extensions?

    Cease vs everyone else

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    Wow.  Thats crazy to me.

    And presumably, if you trade Kremer, you are adding another starter.

    I would much rather do the second package and trade Cowser for Woo.  Not that Woo is the only guy to add but just using that as an example.

    Far more upside in that rotation.

     

    Well, I mean I wouldn't either package to be clear.

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    Cease vs everyone else

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    This isn’t reality but more hypothetical.

    If you had to make the trade, which of these are you doing:

    Cowser and Ortiz

    Kremer, Ortiz, Norby and Stowers

    I wouldn't do either but if I had to choose one I'd choose the first package.

    At least I'd feel like I had upgraded my rotation for the next two years.

    Sending Kremer out and bringing Cease in- yes, Cease is better with more upside- but overall the rotation isn't all that improved.

    Cease vs everyone else

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

    I agree …. I’m guessing they’re not getting offered one of our top 5 and Ortiz plus a 3rd that’s possibly Kremer. I’d like to see Elias make a take it or leave it offer and then move on.

    The suggestion that Kremer be part of this package is one of the more ludicrous suggestions going around.

    Cease vs everyone else

    in Orioles Talk

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    19 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

    I was pleasantly surprised that not every writer thinks it should take a “monster package”.  Of course, that’s subjective.  I will be very surprised if Elias includes 2 of our top 7-8 prospects.  That might mean he misses out but that’s okay.   Can’t wait until this is over.  Lol

    The top three are untouchable. They can have one of Cowser, Kjerstad, Ortiz, and Westburg if you want to count him as a prospect.  And then some lesser pieces.

    Or they can go get a bunch of 19 year old pitchers and piss off because they're starting to annoy me.  ;)

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    Cease vs everyone else

    in Orioles Talk

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    32 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

    I keep checking the Cease thread on the White Sox board.  Someone posted this tweet.

    That would be too funny.  The D-Backs #7 who averages 90 mph and projects as a 4-5 starter.  I’m sure there’s something more but this is funny on face value.

    And we're supposed to believe we MUST give up two top global 50 prospects.

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    If not Cease..then who?

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

    So you think Elias and JA are going to sign a pitcher to a 4-5 year deal likely in the 18-25M a year range?  You think that’s realistic?

    It's certainly within the realm of possibility.

    We heard they had interest in Nola.  Surely that interest would have acknowledged that he would receive a contract exceeding what you lay out above.

    Would you trade Cowser and Ortiz for Cease (December follow up)?

    in Orioles Talk

    Posted

    Just now, RZNJ said:

    We shouldn’t do a trade just because we can.  Ortiz stands a good chance of being as valuable as Cease but for 6 years instead of 2.   I like Cease.  As Stan Laurel said about Barnaby, “But I don’t love him”.

    That's close to where I am.

    To give up that package for Cease, the FO should be confident they are going to be able to get better performance from Cease than he has (with one notable exception) delivered so far in his career.

    If they feel that way, I trust them.

    If they don't feel that way, I trust them.

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