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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
You are assuming he will still be good and healthy in 2029. That’s a big assumption with a pitcher.
Well that’s part of my point. I’m not certain he will be healthy then. I want him pitching for the big club before the wear and tear really sets in.
Further, I think there is a better chance for a competitive window between 2023 and 2026 than 2026-2029 and that his coming up towards the end of this year will make him better in 2023. Maybe marginally so.-
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Looks like there aren’t many on here who see a benefit to calling him up in late august/September so he can see what he needs to work on. Could be as a starter or out of the bullpen, for me. Just think it helps him and the club more than having him in 2029 would.
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38 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
As he should be. If I have time to make a trip home this summer catching some games at Bowie will be a top priority. Future is really bright even if the MLB club is painful to watch right now.
When was the last time we had the #1 pitching prospect in MLB? Was Mussina ever ranked that high?
Bundy was top pitcher and I think #2 overall
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I feel comfortable when DJ comes to the dish because I don’t think he’s going to be cheated. He doesn’t swing out of the zone much and has a plan up there.
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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:
Until it is anything more than his annual "fatigue" I'll assume he will be coming back soon and back to himself. Saying that, if you recall, Means's second half of 2019 was much worse than his first half and after returning from this is 2019. Something to keep an eye on for sure.
His second half was certainly worse, but most of that was a string of 3 starts in the end of July/beginning of august and then an outlier in September. Outside of the bad three and including the outlier he had 8 starts to finish the season, 49.2IP and 18ER.
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Jeez, not sure if this is a thread about Gunnar Henderson and the merits of calling him up, or an opportunity to take pot shots at the old management and turn every success of theirs into successes that happened in spite of them.
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2 hours ago, Jammer7 said:
I think we are largely on the same page. This regime is very different than what we were used to in Baltimore. The current group is very very respected throughout the industry. People are watching what is happening and others will try to emulate them. Quite a switch from a few years ago when we were in the Stone Age.
The previous regime was terrible in development. Everyone in baseball knew that. They rushed Machado, but his talent kept his head above water until his offense caught up two years later. He was there for the defense to help in a playoff run. They had no other choice but to rush him up with very little time in AA.
Schoop was rushed and his overall offensive game suffered for it. Solid 2B, great arm, one dimensional offensive player. There was a lot more there to develop. Instead, he had two decent years. That was really it.
Dave Wallace saved Zack Britton at the MLB level.
Sisco was handled terribly by DD and Buck. That is why he is where is right now. He is absolutely terrible right now.
Hays was rushed to Baltimore, way before he was ready. Jury is still out on my favorite player because he cannot stay healthy. Learning how to condition yourself and workout and stretch and nutrition is all part of the development cycle.
There are so many things we cannot take for granted after the COVID cancellation of 2020. The Alternate Site can only accomplish so much. They cannot replace game experience against true competition. Yes, the powers that be extolled his improvement, and rightfully so. But that means nothing until he does it against competition. He has begun to do just that. It will not be long.
This is starting to border on the absurd. Schoop had like 1700 minor league AB’s. Britton pitched in the minors for 5 seasons. Sisco was a quality minor league batter with over 1500 MiLB AB’s, but it isn’t like there weren’t questions about whether his game would translate.
Some guys just are what they are, and no amount of development was going to turn Schoop into Roberto Alomar or Bobby Doerr.
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2 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:
Age is relevant to his maturity, on and off the field. Handling the game and the pressures of the stardom, and failure. Age is relevant in that the youth is best served to play in MLB for a long time when he is ready to stay there.
The league has not adjusted to him yet. They will, and I think that is what they are waiting for. For a guy who has worked in MLB, how are you getting carried away with a SSS of a month?
The camp was a sterile controlled setting. He worked on fundamentals, and yes, he faced some live pitching. But it was the same pitchers, over and over.
They can move him up in early or mid-July. There is plenty of time. He can start AA in 2022 and move up from there. That would get him to Baltimore at age 22 in 2023. Again, what is your rush?
ME burner account?
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11 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:
So, you have decided Gunnar is a phenom in a month of low A ball? The league has not even had a chance to make adjustments to him yet. He has not been challenged yet to counter-adjust. Ok, no point in going any further for me.
Put another way: how long would you like him to stay in Delmarva? What does he need to do for him to earn a promotion?
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4 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:
So, you have decided Gunnar is a phenom in a month of low A ball? The league has not even had a chance to make adjustments to him yet. He has not been challenged yet to counter-adjust. Ok, no point in going any further for me.
A-I was going off of your saying “phenom or not” (which is why I quoted it). Assuming he is a phenom he should be moved up and he will (as any true phenom does) adjust.
B-you want to see him dominate. What do you call leading the league in homers, RBI’s and being top 5 in just about everything else?
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6 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:
What is the rush? I mean he now has just a month of at bats above the GCL. I don't put any stock into the results of the 2020 Alternate Sight, honestly. He made some progress, reportedly. Great. He needs a chance to prove it against other teams. The Orioles can gather data on Gunnar and aid in his development. Perhaps they think he needs a lot of work defensively. He's a 20 year old kid, no need to rush his progression. Let him dominate and grow into his game and mature. Phenom or not, rushing him can really be problematic.
If you’re a phenom there is no problem in being rushed. Phenoms are phenoms. Gunnar might be just that and at some point it’s a disservice to him to not be challenged. He’ll be up soon.
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14 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:
I honestly have no confidence that Elias would even take Green with the number 1 pick. Elias really stunk up that last draft and he’s clearly scared to take a pitcher in the first because of his two busted picks with the Astros. In fact, I don’t think he took a pitcher until pretty late last draft. Not a good long term strategy and being “Gun-shy” results in bad decision making.
We have no clue how Elias performed in the last draft and we won’t for a couple years, at least. It’s also a little early to tell what Elias’s strategy on player acquisition is. He might prove to be a guy that drafts bats and trades them for arms that he has seen play against better competition.
There is some evidence that Elias is able to effectively target some interesting minor league pitchers with Bradish, Stallings and Lucas all falling into that category for me.
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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
If I recall correctly they got some criticism for the pick as well. He was considered a pretty big reach.
But he’s out to prove the critics wrong.
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40 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Some college second basemen get drafted, Rangers took one at #14 last year for instance. Brewers took Hiura ninth.
The Red Sox took a highschool guy listed as a 2B (Nick Yorke) last year with their 1st round pick.
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Wow. People smiling. Good to see.
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I know the numbers on swinging away vs bunting but at what point do they start trying something different?
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29 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I like Roch, but he's Orioles state media and you can't expect an honest take from him when it comes to being critical of the franchise.
I think Nuanced Philip is complaining about Hyde, not Roch. He wants Hyde to publicly criticize his players abilities. Why Hyde won’t do that we’ll never know.
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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Of course you don't think something that contradicts a point you were making means anything.
All teams have to deal with injuries and the Orioles haven't been particularly hard hit.
It's just another excuse.
Mets are in first place. Are you going to suggest the O's have been harder hit with injuries?
It’s legitimate to say that some of the expectations have been derailed by injuries to Hays, Santander Stewart and Diaz to a lesser degree.
Nobody was expecting to win, but there was a thought that the offense could be good with some of that group being involved. With none of them on the field together it’s hard to have anything on ML team to be excited about.-
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I wonder how much will change as the team inches closer to contention. It made sense for Duquette to give up players/assets with marginal value whereas Elias is trying to give up next to nothing. I’m anticipating some mid level prospect for blocked bench player moves in the next year or so.
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21 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
Hopefully DL Hall as well. Outside of the one game AA hitters seem pretty overmatched against him. I think he’ll benefit from facing hitters that are more selective and can fight off more pitches. TBH I think he should be working out of the MLB pen, but that won’t happen.
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15 minutes ago, Babkins said:
Well, he pulled this one.
That was, uh, crushed.
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2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:
Watching the lack of improvement by Kremer and Akin makes me more and more concerned about the Orioles current developmental staff at the high levels. Add in the inconsistencies of Zimmermann, and we have not seen any of them improve on anything. Heck, throw in Tanner Scott's bouts of wildness again and who has become better or more consistent?I just see a lot of failure of our young prospects at the major league level this year.
I get that it’s specifically a concern with lack of improvement, but Akin and Zimmerman have never really been viewed as more than swingmen/depth pieces.
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In a vacuum you have to take that deal for Means. But outside of it there are two things I’d want to know: how close are the SP prospects, and is ownership willing to pay up? If you have 3 legit guys that you think can start contributing next year and ownership is willing to extend Means for 2-3 more (assuming he is willing to accept), maybe you hold onto him as your ace for a few playoff bids.
Mancini is an interesting case in that many here, myself included, thought RMC would seize his role, and then some. Hasn’t gone according to plan just yet.
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8 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
I'd say July.
That's a little over a month away, it'll be here before we know it. See if he cools off at all or if he's really just crushing this level and ready to move up.
I’ll say 2 weeks. If he’s performing at or close to the same level he might as well move up. Really just hope it’s tomorrow though.
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I don’t follow. Why would the fact that the team is rebuilding make the abysmal records any more acceptable? The organization put itself in this position by poor signings, missing trade windows etc.
I’m embarrassed. The organization should be embarrassed, even if this rebuild is followed up by a WS Title in 2024 or something. From best record in the AL to I would imagine worst in the AL over a multi year period is embarrassing.