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35 minutes ago, Bmorebirds24 said:
I’ve definitely read that was our best draft. But I’m asking how much information you have on these players that we’ve yet to see play. I personally don’t watch college baseball or high school to say that I think someone is better or worse.
My guess is Elias wanted to play it safe this year and last given the circumstances? The floor of the organization seems to be a bit safer than what we’ve had in past years. How many top baseball picks play like top first round picks? Even Trout fell to the later part of the first and when I watch him play I think How can anyone pass on the way he plays the game.I know when you are trying to close the gap in the AL East, you don’t take a RF (Kerstad) over a LH pitcher (Lacy) and another corner OFer (he’s not a CFer) over a stud SS (Lawlar who the BoSox quickly gobbled up) AND are scared to take a pitcher in the first round…. that’s a pretty poor plan to compete. But people will makes excuses for Elias just like they did DD, AM, joe jordan, etc. A culture of losing will do that.
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10 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I don’t know if the team will be sold soon (that probably would be for the best), but Trey is too valuable to non-tender. If Trey gets traded for mediocre prospects (to avoid paying arbitration), it could interpreted as more evidence that the Orioles are being put up for sale.
They will be sold shortly after Peter passes, I don’t believe this is much of a secret at this point, hence the crap product and anemic payroll.
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2 hours ago, Bmorebirds24 said:
How much do you know about the players that were drafted the past two years? I don’t know anything on these guys other than a few articles that were posted about them. Do you know enough to ruin my hopes of this rebuild actually working?
I can tell you the Adley Rutchman draft was a very good one…what happened after that year is my question? And I get he was limited…
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1 minute ago, DirtyBird said:
Martin doesn't have an XBH yet this month
At least he is playing baseball. Lacy is the guy I wanted but both will likely be better than Kerstad. Are you going to tell me how much Lawlar stinks too?
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People will make excuses for Elias for another 10 bad drafts as Martin & Lawlar have great careers with the Blue Jays & Sox. This draft in particular was just plain awful. Last year, at least I saw the logic despite not agreeing with it but what a demoralizing approach when trying to close the gap in organizational talent (largely between the two above mentioned teams).
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Comical that internet message board posters mocked him for choosing basketball.
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On 7/16/2021 at 7:44 AM, Frobby said:
I don’t think Trey brings back premium talent, depending what you mean by that term. But he’d bring back a lot more than Joc Pederson.
Yep, agreed, not worth it, they better keep him. Regardless, after the last 2 drafts, no longer on Team Elias.
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On 7/16/2021 at 8:33 AM, Roll Tide said:
Unless John Angelos is a bold face liar I don’t think they have any intention of selling the birds.
Many of us wished that Peter would have sold over the years.
Sigh. The team is most certainty being prepped for sale, not much of a secret at this point. What he said is he will not sell to a non-local buyer, which is true.
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2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
If that’s what you’d get for Trey we are better off keeping him. I doubt that guy made the top 100 in the Braves system.
If they trade Mancini for anything less than premium talent (and certainly not close to this return), people will check out on the Os once and for all IMO. Some things in life are more important than unloading salary to prep the team for sale.
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1 hour ago, LookinUp said:
This post is 100% true. Everything good in Houston was because of other people. Everything bad was because of Elias. It’s fact.
Is that what I said? You would think he is a saint from many on here though. The same exact posters that said we couldn’t judge Joe Jordan for 5+ years after crap draft after crap draft saying the same now. Maybe actions and decisions are important? Maybe ignoring pitching in the top of the draft in a sport determined by great pitching might be poor judgement?
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What a legend! Great HR derby performance! Go Italia!
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8 minutes ago, Ripken said:
Two years in a row I just don't like an Elias draft. Anyone could have taken AR in '19 and I'm actually kind of shocked now that he did. Crap shoot. Dart throw. Yeah, sure, but still. I will pull for these kids and hope for the best because they're ours now... but all the "trust the plan" stuff looks, man, I just don't know what that is. I will never agree with passing up [potentially] elite talent or completely ignoring pitchers. Bad stuff.
Bullseye. Friendly reminder: Elias has never been a GM before and during his tenure much of his org’s success was under the guise of stealing signs. He also missed on 2 first round pitchers with Houston, hence why he is gun-shy with pitchers. Just because you missed, doesn’t mean you should ignore the most important facet of the game, just insanity. The blind allegiance to this guy is disturbing, likely why this org never improves, fan base just accepts poor decisions & dysfunction, winning orgs don't.
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Posters would defend Elias if he picked a muppet. Just a head scratching draft. If your not getting premium talent internationally (some improvement but not not getting top guys) and you take safe players in the draft and super utility types, how exactly are you closing the gap with the BlueJays, Yankees, Red Sox, Tampa…
Haven't won since 1983, it might be 2083 for the next one.
Just heartbreaking ineptitude.
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3 minutes ago, doccat said:
Not impressed with Hill. Big guy who throws hard, sure... but terrible command, injury-prone mechanics, and he really didn't perform well in his few starts this year= and that was before he needed Tommy John....
True but upside is a number 1
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7 minutes ago, Ripken said:
Really hope we go SS or SP.
Passed on Jaden Hill who was gobbled up by the Rockies.
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6 hours ago, Philip said:
I want a shirt! Someone take my money!
large or medium….seriously
You can get them on eBay. Before rushing out though, have you actually seen it? It’s definitely a huge step down this year. Os went underslot on the Hawaiian shirts this year.
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7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
To piggyback on that, it's not like we just took a guy without any upside. And it's not like we stretched way hard to pick someone who was projected at the late first round/early second round.
If we're going by mock drafts (really, that's all a lot of us have to go on) he was going to be picked anywhere from 10-15th, most likely. So we reached a little bit, but not like the Royals with Frank Mozzarella.
Big picture: we passed on Lawlar who arguably could have been 1, House with 30-40 hr potential as a SS/3rd and Rocker likely closer for a corner OFer with 20-25 hr potential. Big picture fellas, this was a bad pick.
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Just now, Tony-OH said:
You keep saying this like it's fact, but are you talking about the Austin Martin with two home runs and slashing .773 in 198 AA PAs while splitting time between SS (.908 Fld %) and CF?
Clearly with Kjerstad's illness, and Baumler's injury, it certainly doesn't look good, but Martin has already shown some of the issues people had concerns with including a lack of position and power.
Whether Elias did the right thing will be determined years from now, but it's not like he passed over a Machado-like talent to draft Kjerstad.
You didn’t like Lacy’s potential in a division where an elite left hander could make a difference? I wanted Lacy, he may not work but pitching and a little luck wins championships. Not underslot deals.
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Just now, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I hate to give the Nats credit, but until guys Elias has drafted can play MLB baseball and play it well, I have more confidence in the Nats ability to develop talent.
Not even close. Nats are a well run franchise, Rizzo comes from a scouting background and it very good, hate them or love them. Elias? He’s smug and won on a franchise that stole signs. Maybe he should get a Belicheat hoodie for press conferences.
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4 minutes ago, lovetoaster said:
You’re exaggerating. Show me where Cowser or even Kjerstad was ranked 20.
Between 15-20. I am not your Google assistant. Do it yourself.
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12 minutes ago, hutchead said:
Wow, just think - we could have had the double play combination of Lawler and Martin!
It’s beyond disgusting. With no accountability, nothing will change. Most posters will move like a pretzel to defend Elias too, watch.
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1 minute ago, eddie83 said:
Their drafts since about 2012 have been weak. Hit on Rendon in 11. Not much since.
Have you seen Cade Cavelli pitch?? We picked Kerstad lol.
Also, Nats get TOP talent with international scouting. Soto says hi.
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Oh look the Marlins have a better pick at 16 than Os at 5.
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3 minutes ago, gman082288 said:
At least he took them. I'm sure Elias would think he could do better.
Elias has Elias number 1 on his draft board every year. He’s just soooo much smarter.
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