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The 1991 Pirates lost Bonilla and Smiley, who were both top 3. They made the playoffs the next year.

Speaking of teams succeeding in spite of losing star players, I remember the Seattle Mariners of the late 90's and early 2000's.

They lost Randy Johnson in a trade during the 1998 season.

They lost Ken Griffey, Jr. in a trade following the 1999 season.

They lost Alex Rodriguez to free agency following the 2000 season.

And then, they won 116 games in 2001.

Hell of a feat by Lou Piniella and company, no ???

Of course, they did net Mike Cameron and Freddy Garcia in two of those trades, but still ..... 3 established superstars leaving the team in consecutive seasons, and they still managed to win 116 games. It's like they would find a way to keep getting better each season (1999, 2000, 2001), regardless of the departure of said superstars.

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OK. I'll be serious. Nelson Cruz is not the AL MVP this year. And Miller may not be as valuable as Betances. Let alone a starter that pitches 200 innings at sub 3 ERA of which we will have a couple. He's not going to be CY Young. So it's not worth talking through really.
Actually, there have been closers who have won the Cy Young. I think that Dennis Eckersley won the Cy Young as a closer. I'm not trying at all to claim that Miller will win the Cy Young. But it's possible.
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Actually, there have been closers who have won the Cy Young. I think that Dennis Eckersley won the Cy Young as a closer. I'm not trying at all to claim that Miller will win the Cy Young. But it's possible.

Really pissed me off when Sparky Lyle won it over Jim Palmer one year. Of course he was a "Fireman".

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Didn't Dennis Eckersely win the MVP AND Cy Young Award in '92 with 80 innings pitched? I mean, it can happen, and not just theoretically... He saved 51 games that year. Perhaps it doesn't happen now, 23 years later, but...

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Didn't Dennis Eckersely win the MVP AND Cy Young Award in '92 with 80 innings pitched? I mean, it can happen, and not just theoretically... He saved 51 games that year. Perhaps it doesn't happen now, 23 years later, but...

It was vaguely common (or at least not out of the question) for relievers (i.e. "closers") to win the Cy Young back in the day. That day has passed I think.

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It was vaguely common (or at least not out of the question) for relievers (i.e. "closers") to win the Cy Young back in the day. That day has passed I think.

Can you think of more than two? If not I'd say it is real uncommon.

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It was vaguely common (or at least not out of the question) for relievers (i.e. "closers") to win the Cy Young back in the day. That day has passed I think.

Yeah, 3 inning saves were not that uncommon back then. I remember Mike Marshall pitched 200 plus innings one year in relief, mostly throwing a screwball.

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Can you think of more than two? If not I'd say it is real uncommon.

Eric Gagne Los Angeles Dodgers 2003 (NL)

Dennis Eckersley * Oakland Athletics 1992 (AL)

Mark Davis San Diego Padres 1989 (NL)

Steve Bedrosian Philadelphia Phillies 1987 (NL)

Willie Hern?ndez * Detroit Tigers 1984 (AL)

Rollie Fingers * Milwaukee Brewers 1981 (AL)

Bruce Sutter Chicago Cubs 1979 (NL)

Sparky Lyle New York Yankees 1977 (AL)

Mike Marshall Los Angeles Dodgers 1974 (NL)

Thank you, wikipedia...

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The 1991 Pirates lost Bonilla and Smiley, who were both top 3. They made the playoffs the next year.

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1997 Florida Marlins post-WS fire sale.

Nov. 11 Traded Moises Alou, 1998 MVP #3

Dec. 15 Traded Kevin Brown, 1998 Cy Young # 3

Now, having said that on this page we have a thread about the loss of Cruz, and another on the loss of Miller, so we needed a new thread which combined the two?

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Eric Gagne Los Angeles Dodgers 2003 (NL)

Dennis Eckersley * Oakland Athletics 1992 (AL)

Mark Davis San Diego Padres 1989 (NL)

Steve Bedrosian Philadelphia Phillies 1987 (NL)

Willie Hern?ndez * Detroit Tigers 1984 (AL)

Rollie Fingers * Milwaukee Brewers 1981 (AL)

Bruce Sutter Chicago Cubs 1979 (NL)

Sparky Lyle New York Yankees 1977 (AL)

Mike Marshall Los Angeles Dodgers 1974 (NL)

Thank you, wikipedia...

You are quicker with Wikipedia than I am :D

It seems to have been a late 70's- 80's thing. Well, with Gagne getting the Millennial nostalgia vote.

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Really pissed me off when Sparky Lyle won it over Jim Palmer one year. Of course he was a "Fireman".

Lyle was unbelievable in '77.

In that year's A.L.C.S. against the Royals, he was even better.

In Game Three against the Royals, he pitched 2.33 innings in a losing cause.

In Game Four, the Yankees down 2 games to 1, and were clinging to a 1-run lead. With runners on 1st and 2nd base, Lyle came out of the bullpen to pitch 5.33 scoreless innings on no rest when they were facing elimination in the best-of-five series.

Lyle wasn't done. He came back in Game Five (again on no rest) to pitch 1.67 more scoreless innings to wrap up the series for the Yankees, 3 games to 2.

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