Gallardo - Roch: deal is DONE (signed)

[oriolediehard]

If Gallardo deal fails, who else can we sign to pitch for us?

[Going Underground]

Encina of the Sun tweeted that the problem is with the shoulder.That anyone who pitches and is 30 would not be 100% clean.He said if not for the draft pick it would not be a big of a concern.

[JLee2027]

Encina of the Sun tweeted that the problem is with the shoulder.That anyone who pitches and is 30 would not be 100% clean.He said if not for the draft pick it would not be a big of a concern.

Better than the elbow, I think.

[Tony-OH]

Better than the elbow, I think.

Not really, shoulder problems are still much harder to correct than elbows. Gotta say this is concerning. The Orioles haven't been too wrong on these things in the past.

[25 Nuggets]

The Orioles curse with pitching has extended so far that now any pitcher signed immedietly gets hurt.

thankfully it's only for starting pitching.

[25 Nuggets]

Not really, shoulder problems are still much harder to correct than elbows. Gotta say this is concerning. The Orioles haven't been too wrong on these things in the past.

It could also give us a reason for his bad second half of 2015. Sometimes players are hurt and don't know it.

[25 Nuggets]

If Gallardo deal fails, who else can we sign to pitch for us?

Tim Lincecum. (barf)

Really would rather have a trade at that point.

[BradyBunch]

Not really, shoulder problems are still much harder to correct than elbows. Gotta say this is concerning. The Orioles haven't been too wrong on these things in the past.

Yeah, but shoulder "issues" on MRI could be user issues.. hence the second test(ing). If it's normal wear and tear of what you expect at this point.. the deal will be done.

[Going Underground]

Yeah, but shoulder "issues" on MRI could be user issues.. hence the second test(ing). If it's normal wear and tear of what you expect at this point.. the deal will be done.

But MRI's do show more then xrays and other tests.

[sevastras]

I trust the Os physicals, we don't want damaged merchandise. They look like geniuses for passing on Balfour, yet the media portrays the Os as over zealous.

[CallMeBrooksie]

I mentioned a while ago that my credible source told me the Orioles had discussions with Latos' camp, but Latos' camp actually mentioned the Orioles notorious physicals during the discussions "multiple times" and talks cooled after that.

Good.. if a player is scared to take the physical then it probably means they weren't going to pass it.

Being in a position where you have to fill your starting rotation with free agents is a BAD situation to be in and should only be looked at as a last resort... but if you absolutely have to do it, then you better make sure you're not getting damaged goods. It's a different game today with the rate of TJ surgeries through the roof.

[BradyBunch]

It could also give us a reason for his bad second half of 2015. Sometimes players are hurt and don't know it.

I really people would start looking at game logs and not just flat out stat lines.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=gallayo01&t=p&year=

He got lit up in 4 games in the second half, 3 of them back to back to back after All-Star break. 4 games and none of those 4 games did he give up more then 5 runs. But 20 ER in 19 IP, will take you from a 2.74 ERA to a 3.42 ERA.

It will also kill your WHIP cause in those 4 games he gave up 30 hits and 10BB. That will take you from a 1.32 WHIP to a 1.416 WHIP.

Ask Chris Tillman what 4 games can do to your WHIP and ERA as it was the Blue Jays who destroyed his numbers last year. Tillman pitched a good game opening day... then ran into the buzzsaw that was the Blue Jays, 3 starts against them in a Month.

[BradyBunch]

But MRI's do show more then xrays and other tests.

Not saying it doesn't.. could be user error and they want to make sure they get a clear picture.

[25 Nuggets]

I mentioned a while ago that my credible source told me the Orioles had discussions with Latos' camp, but Latos' camp actually mentioned the Orioles notorious physicals during the discussions "multiple times" and talks cooled after that.

...which is why he ended up signing for peanuts with the Chi Sox. He's probably still hurt. If they were confident in his health, things would have played out differently.

“You can never have too much pitching depth,’’ GM Rick Hahn said. “In Mat you bring in a proven veteran guy who when healthy – and the injuries seem to be behind him knock on wood – you bring a proven veteran guy who competes and give you 180-200 quality innings.’’

Not the most ringing endorsement. Knock on wood.

[clapdiddy]

I really people would start looking at game logs and not just flat out stat lines.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=gallayo01&t=p&year=

He got lit up in 4 games in the second half, 3 of them back to back to back after All-Star break. 4 games and none of those 4 games did he give up more then 5 runs. But 20 ER in 19 IP, will take you from a 2.74 ERA to a 3.42 ERA.

It will also kill your WHIP cause in those 4 games he gave up 30 hits and 10BB. That will take you from a 1.32 WHIP to a 1.416 WHIP.

Ask Chris Tillman what 4 games can do to your WHIP and ERA as it was the Blue Jays who destroyed his numbers last year. Tillman pitched a good game opening day... then ran into the buzzsaw that was the Blue Jays, 3 starts against them in a Month.

Yeah...but he only pitched 6 innings in a game twice after the AS break. That's not very encouraging.