Dan Duquette: Os to Be Active in Trade Market

[Fred Manfraud]

I'm too lazy to read this entire thread so I apologize if this has been discussed here before. In my way of thinking, the best trade chip the Orioles have is Mychal Givens. Obviously, he alone, would not bring a solid major league starter, but I would think he would have to be a big part of any trade package given the (apparent) dearth of good prospects in the system.

[Can_of_corn]

If Parra would have stayed even close to the production he'd had for the first 100 games of the season he would have definitely moved the needle, particularly given the outfield situation at the time. You can argue that since it was a career year that it wasn't likely to continue into 2016 but it's reasonable to assume he'd continue to play well in Baltimore for the remainder of the season.

Ditto for Ubaldo. He was one of the best pitchers in baseball for the second half of 2013. That was pretty high risk but the reward was potentially enormous. The draft pick through the context of Cruz transaction is less bothersome to me.

It sucks that neither one of them worked out but at the time of each transaction one can reasonably see the math the DD did. I think there are worse examples.

I disagree now and disagreed at the time.

His defense had crated and his offensive was buoyed by an unsustainable spike in BABIP. There was nothing to indicate that his current level of play was more likely to continue then him reverting to his career norms.

The fact that he played well below his career norms is actually irrelevant.

[Can_of_corn]

Wright, Sisco, Givens, choice of Bundy/Harvey ??

Hate to give up a significant contributor of current team. Does that get it done?

Interesting that you are willing to give up two members of the bullpen while two others are on the DL.

I think that even with inserting a viable starting pitcher into the rotation it wouldn't be prudent to weaken the pen to that extent.

[Teddy OBP]

I disagree now and disagreed at the time.

His defense had crated and his offensive was buoyed by an unsustainable spike in BABIP. There was nothing to indicate that his current level of play was more likely to continue then him reverting to his career norms.

The fact that he played well below his career norms is actually irrelevant.

Fair enough. Good point (You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Can_of_corn again.)

I'm sure you and likely others pointed out the BABIP spike at the time, I just don't remember.

I don't know enough about how long those kinds of streaks hold up to know when it was likely for him to revert. I guess at any time?

[Il BuonO]

If Parra would have stayed even close to the production he'd had for the first 100 games of the season he would have definitely moved the needle, particularly given the outfield situation at the time. You can argue that since it was a career year that it wasn't likely to continue into 2016 but it's reasonable to assume he'd continue to play well in Baltimore for the remainder of the season.

Ditto for Ubaldo. He was one of the best pitchers in baseball for the second half of 2013. That was pretty high risk but the reward was potentially enormous. The draft pick through the context of Cruz transaction is less bothersome to me.

It sucks that neither one of them worked out but at the time of each transaction one can reasonably see the math the DD did. I think there are worse examples.

Wait a minute, Dan wasn't privy to the extremely high BABIP which Parra was a beneficiary of in the first half? If he would have stayed close. Exactly. There was almost no way he was to continue a season long assault above his career norms, especially switching to another league where the pitchers (for the most part) were not as well known to him.

The case for Jimenez may be worse. They took a risk on a guy who had a great second half in 2013, but he was awful in two of his three years in Cleveland. To the tune of a ERA+77 and 72 respectively before one good year. Combined with his mechanics and a declining FB velocity there were certainly red flags. As I remember, there may have not been another team in the bidding, but most people believe the 4th year was something no one else was offering. Kind of resembles the same process with Davis this past offseason in that respect.

And what worse examples? The two guys for Snider? Didn't pan out but Snider would have given them the same chance as Parra did given what he produced after he was acquired. You liked the deal for Gallardo? Or, you're not partial not improving the farm system? I get it if people want to sign FA, but if you're going to burn a pick why not have it at least be for someone who isn't damaged goods. I hope he's at least serviceable for the remainder and I do like him better than Jimenez. So, there's that.

[Il BuonO]

Wright, Sisco, Givens, choice of Bundy/Harvey ??

Hate to give up a significant contributor of current team. Does that get it done?

This is the type of deal I'd be interested in though. Let me specify type. I don't know if it's exactly but it's a step in the right direction. If they are committing to this year then make a deal that will improve the team's one glaring weakness. No half measures to add a #4 or 5.

[Can_of_corn]

Fair enough. Good point (You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Can_of_corn again.)

I'm sure you and likely others pointed out the BABIP spike at the time, I just don't remember.

I don't know enough about how long those kinds of streaks hold up to know when it was likely for him to revert. I guess at any time?

Exactly and in this case it was the worst time possible.

[Roll Tide]

This is the type of deal I'd be interested in though. Let me specify type. I don't know if it's exactly but it's a step in the right direction. If they are committing to this year then make a deal that will improve the team's one glaring weakness. No half measures to add a #4 or 5.

Just to be clear, I'd want 3plus years of control to consider that trade.

[Can_of_corn]

Two things. No one says a deal has to be done before O'Day comes back. Also, let's not pretend that Bundy is an important piece of the bullpen.

I'd rather have Bundy there than anyone likely to replace him.

[thezeroes]

Two things. No one says a deal has to be done before O'Day comes back. Also, let's not pretend that Bundy is an important piece of the bullpen.

With the lack of innings from the starters thus far this year anyone that can get outs and eat innings is "Important" to this bullpen.

[Can_of_corn]

So you and Can wouldn't trade Bundy because of what it would do to the bullpen. Thanks for the chuckle.

I didn't say that. I would certainly be hesitant to but I would not unilaterally rule it out.

[Tryptamine]

Wright, Sisco, Givens, choice of Bundy/Harvey ??

Hate to give up a significant contributor of current team. Does that get it done?

No. Atlanta has already said they're done dealing for prospects, they want a major league OF bat.

[jjb]

I haven't seen Jeremy Hellickson's name mentioned anywhere. Seems like someone DD would go after. Has experience in the AL East. Biggest problem is that he'd have to trade with MacPhail to get him.

[Tryptamine]

I think Tyson Ross would be the best pitcher the Orioles could potentially afford. When healthy he's a legit top of the rotation pitcher, but he's only under control for 1.5 more years. The cost would still be pretty high.

[thezeroes]

So you and Can wouldn't trade Bundy because of what it would do to the bullpen. Thanks for the chuckle.

It was a pretty easy read and I have re-read it several times and did not see within my statement as to whether i would or would not trade Bundy. I was just correcting your broad brush stoke of painting none of Dylan's innings as being important.

For the record, I would not trade a 23 year old pitcher coming off TJ Surgery that has Dylan's potential.