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Gausman for the full season.

Warm body for whatever starting innings Gausman had.

And I never said he didn't help. I said he wasn't great.

He was bad then he was decent then he was horrendous.

That wasn't worth what they paid him and what they gave up for him.

We gave up LJ Hoes, Hader and a balance pick. I think that we should have kept Hader, but IMO, Gausman wasn't ready in 2014, whereas I think he was ready in 2015 and he is now. The move made sense at the time, and he turned out not being that bad in 2014. Last year he was a pumpkin, however. Glad we let him go, but the move was right at the time.

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We gave up LJ Hoes, Hader and a balance pick. I think that we should have kept Hader, but IMO, Gausman wasn't ready in 2014, whereas I think he was ready in 2015 and he is now. The move made sense at the time, and he turned out not being that bad in 2014. Last year he was a pumpkin, however. Glad we let him go, but the move was right at the time.

Gausman's 2014 numbers were the equal of Bud's.

Hader and the first round pick were too much for Norris.

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Gausman's would have been higher if we gave him more time out there. I don't think that he was ready to start in 2014, and I liked the capacity that Buck kept him in.

You don't know that.

You actually liked how they jerked Gausman around in 2014?

I think they retarded his growth as a pitcher.

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I thought he spent that on Pedro?

Did he? I honestly don't know. I'm good with trading Pedro and the rest of his salary it it makes sense. I really, really would like to have another SP. I'm not convinced about Wright, I'm incredibly nervous about Ubaldo, and who knows about Gallardo.

Address the SP and I think this team has more than a fighting chance.

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You don't know that.

You actually liked how they jerked Gausman around in 2014?

I think they retarded his growth as a pitcher.

I think they should have just left him in the pen, but the way he was pitching that year he would have been meh at best that year. Last year, he should have been a starter from day one.

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I think they should have just left him in the pen, but the way he was pitching that year he would have been meh at best that year. Last year, he should have been a starter from day one.

He was pitching "great"! He was as good as your boy Bud.

He had a better ERA, ERA+ and FIP than Norris did.

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Bud won the job on experience. Gausman didn't have as many starts/apparences as Norris did, so the numbers are a tad bit skewed.

Yes, Bud had a lot more experience being mediocre.

Anyway the point is Gausman could have started all season in 2014.

Bud wasn't great and he didn't save the season. Sure he helped but you can't convince me he was essential or that he was worth what the O's gave up for him.

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Yes, Bud had a lot more experience being mediocre.

Anyway the point is Gausman could have started all season in 2014.

Bud wasn't great and he didn't save the season. Sure he helped but you can't convince me he was essential or that he was worth what the O's gave up for him.

I think in a way he was essential to the 2014 run. That and Hader is in the Brewers' system in AA now.

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