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Just now, Frobby said:

It's always easy to posit that the team could spend more money to fix its problems.   So go ahead and don't accept that we can't spend more.   

I wish we had more money and more luck and did not have to have the problems that come with playing in LA, Chicago, Boston and NY. 

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Just now, weams said:

A small to mid market team has additional challenges that you are not considering I fear. I wish that we had drafted better back when other GM were in charge and we were worse. I wish when we lost for a decade and a half that we had drafted higher. 

170 million on a guy that swings at butterflies? A mid-market team? Wait... where's the punch line? I'm not feeling it. Didn't the author of the article basically say we weren't a mid market team? Is Kansas City a mid market team?

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Just now, big_sparxx said:

170 million on a guy that swings at butterflies? A mid-market team? Wait... where's the punch line? I'm not feeling it. Didn't the author of the article basically say we weren't a mid market team? Is Kansas City a mid market team?

A small to mid market team has a chance to do well when properly guided and well stocked. Like the Royals and Orioles. It's hard to sustain a run. And your closer just can't have a baby. ;)

 

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1 minute ago, big_sparxx said:

170 million on a guy that swings at butterflies? A mid-market team? Wait... where's the punch line? I'm not feeling it. Didn't the author of the article basically say we weren't a mid market team? Is Kansas City a mid market team?

Kansas City, case in point.   They got hot at the right time in 2014, peaked in 2015, fell back in 2016 and now their bullpen has been disbanded.    Were they a better-constructed team than ours?    I really don't think so.   They just had a nice confluence of timing.   It happens.   

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7 minutes ago, weams said:

I wish we had more money and more luck and did not have to have the problems that come with playing in LA, Chicago, Boston and NY. 

All of them can afford to eat busts.  Remember Rusney Castillo, Arod, Big Panda, Ryu, etc...  We have to ride it out with ours.  Ubaldo and Gallardo.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's always easy to posit that the team could spend more money to fix its problems.   So go ahead and don't accept that we can't spend more.   

woulda-coulda-shoulda... Frustration level through the roof. Attendances dropped last season right? You want to put butts in the seats? Play better. IMPROVE. If not... push the reset button. If you don't want to spend money any more, eat the CD contract and let Manny Schoop and AJ go when their contracts expire. It's a long way back from the basement.

You come this far and say... that's it? We can't do any better? Whaaaaaat? You want us to accept that? You want us to sit with our fingers crossed every time CD comes up to bat, then say "awwwwwww.... nice try Chris" after yet another k while he's chomping on tobacco and living like a king?

You want to throw a myriad of problems at it and say well... we're only a mid-market team.... yet this mid market team has been competitive for a few years, and this guy right here (me) wants more. Sorry to lay that on you.

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Kansas City, case in point.   They got hot at the right time in 2014, peaked in 2015, fell back in 2016 and now their bullpen has been disbanded.    Were they a better-constructed team than ours?    I really don't think so.   They just had a nice confluence of timing.   It happens.   

a confluence of timing.... is that a legit baseball term? I remember being dismantled fairly easy during that confluence of timing. Are we a better team now? I don't think so,

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7 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

woulda-coulda-shoulda... Frustration level through the roof. Attendances dropped last season right? You want to put butts in the seats? Play better. IMPROVE. If not... push the reset button. If you don't want to spend money any more, eat the CD contract and let Manny Schoop and AJ go when their contracts expire. It's a long way back from the basement.

You come this far and say... that's it? We can't do any better? Whaaaaaat? You want us to accept that? You want us to sit with our fingers crossed every time CD comes up to bat, then say "awwwwwww.... nice try Chris" after yet another k while he's chomping on tobacco and living like a king?

You want to throw a myriad of problems at it and say well... we're only a mid-market team.... yet this mid market team has been competitive for a few years, and this guy right here (me) wants more. Sorry to lay that on you.

Some folks suggest that the fan base and location is the main problem. 

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7 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

a confluence of timing.... is that a legit baseball term? I remember being dismantled fairly easy during that confluence of timing. Are we a better team now? I don't think so,

It's certainly boxing relevant. 

http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/01/30/keidel-perfect-confluence-of-timing-talent-history-for-mayweather/

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8 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

a confluence of timing.... is that a legit baseball term? I remember being dismantled fairly easy during that confluence of timing. Are we a better team now? I don't think so,

A couple of runs. A bad closer, a bad setup guy. Extremely lucky fielding. Markakis misplay.  Luck. 

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3 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

a confluence of timing.... is that a legit baseball term? I remember being dismantled fairly easy during that confluence of timing. Are we a better team now? I don't think so,

In baseball, timing is everything.   The same team that wins 8 games in a row can lose 8 games in a row that same year.   If a team gets hot or goes cold in the playoffs, everyone will attempt to assign some great significance to it.    Most of the time, it's just coincidence of timing.   I watched superior Orioles teams lose World Series three times to teams they'd beat 60% of the time if they played 100 games.    And yes, we were a better team than the Royals in 2014.    So were the Angels.   The Royals were on a heater, and the breaks went their way.  Wish we were them, then.   I'd rather be us right now.   

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Just now, Frobby said:

In baseball, timing is everything.   The same team that wins 8 games in a row can lose 8 games in a row that same year.   If a team gets hot or goes cold in the playoffs, everyone will attempt to assign some great significance to it.    Most of the time, it's just coincidence of timing.   I watched superior Orioles teams lose World Series three times to teams they'd beat 60% of the time if they played 100 games.    And yes, we were a better team than the Royals in 2014.    So were the Angels.   The Royals were on a heater, and the breaks went their way.  Wish we were them, then.   I'd rather be us right now.   

Amen.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I will grant you that the Orioles have never invested in an ace pitcher, and that we probably will never become the type of team that is one of the favorites to win the WS unless a couple of our own guys develop into TOR pitchers.    But (1) I don't rule out the chance that our own guys will develop as hoped, and (2) I'm not as dismissive as you of the chance that a non-favored team can win a WS.    It happens frequently enough, and I don't think there's any rule that says a power-oriented team is less likely to do it than a run-manufacturing team.  

Teams that out homered the other team went 27-1 this postseason. Ball go far, team go far. 

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