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26 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You've brought up the Davis thing 4-5 times now.   Some people are morally offended by strikeouts, and I guess you're one of them.    But overall, Davis is a productive hitter and a good defender.    Perhaps you'd prefer Yonder Alonso, who only struck out 74 times in 534 PA, but I judge players by their overall production, not any one aspect of their game. (And by the way, I did not favor the Davis contract, and think it eventually will come back to bite us -- just not right now.)

Is Yonder Alonso making 170 million? meh... don't think so (2.65 million last year) Your value for $ is off a bit I'd suggest. Neither here nor there. I don't mind K's I accept them as part of a guy who is a big swinger, but lets look at the fact that he had his hitting coach last year and ultimately had to be moved down the order. 

I love Crush (He's an O, so he gets the nod in my book), don't get me wrong. Aside from the sitting with my fingers crossed every AB, I think he's a good (not great) player, and if he was coveted so highly as a FA last year.... why did no one else pick him up? I'm not getting that logic. When did he sign? February? 

I think it already has come back to bite us. I think we lose Manny because the well will have run dry. Can we afford to lose Manny... NOPE! Not saying that he won't re-sign, but as most on here have pondered, what is his trade value, and what will we do on the left side of the infield once he and JJ are gone.

So tell me, are we a better team with Crush or without? We believed that Trumbo could play right, but he's a 1b guy. Does anyone want to see Trumbo come back as a RF or DH, especially for the $ he's looking for?

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10 minutes ago, TradeAngelos said:

Someone tell me how to embed an excel spreadsheet and I will make Connolly look like a fool. I have 15 years of data. He has one. Contract. Singular.

The Orioles payroll has climbed each season since Buck and Duquette came. So give me five years of data and I will consider it relevant. And Dan Connolly is no fool. Nor is he a front office sycophant. 

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44 minutes ago, weams said:

Ubaldo Jimenez has a 4.24 ERA in the AL EAST over the last two seasons. 

Chris Davis Has the Most Home runs and a 128 OPS+ over the last two seasons. 

Yovani Gallardo 23 23 8 6 8 0 0 118.0 126 71 16 61 85 6.48 91.6 0.2 1.58 5.42
Ubaldo Jimenez 29 25 9 8 12 1 0 142.1 150 86 16 72 125 7.90 99.7 0.1 1.56 5.44

2016 stats....

The last 3 columns are WAR (which supposedly mean something) WHIP and ERA... are you excited?
 

Chris Davis 157 566 99 125 21 0 38 84 260 88 219 1 .221 .332 .459 .792 2.4

The .221 avg is a concern. 219 k's after 2018 last year. 88 bb's which means that he does have an eye, but how deceiving is that? How many times is he up there taking a called third strike? Strikes out every 2.59 ab. if he gets 4 ab's thats 2 ks. Obviously the weirdo stats are deceptive and do not take into account his K rate at all. It's obvious we overpaid for him, but can he improve? Would you accept that he's a good but not great hitter? 

 

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3 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:
Yovani Gallardo 23 23 8 6 8 0 0 118.0 126 71 16 61 85 6.48 91.6 0.2 1.58 5.42
Ubaldo Jimenez 29 25 9 8 12 1 0 142.1 150 86 16 72 125 7.90 99.7 0.1 1.56 5.44

2016 stats....

The last 3 columns are WAR (which supposedly mean something) WHIP and ERA... are you excited?
 

Chris Davis 157 566 99 125 21 0 38 84 260 88 219 1 .221 .332 .459 .792 2.4

The .221 avg is a concern. 219 k's after 2018 last year. 88 bb's which means that he does have an eye, but how deceiving is that? How many times is he up there taking a called third strike? Strikes out every 2.59 ab. if he gets 4 ab's thats 2 ks. Obviously the weirdo stats are deceptive and do not take into account his K rate at all. It's obvious we overpaid for him, but can he improve? Would you accept that he's a good but not great hitter? 

 

Speaking of supposedly meaning something....

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3 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:
Yovani Gallardo 23 23 8 6 8 0 0 118.0 126 71 16 61 85 6.48 91.6 0.2 1.58 5.42
Ubaldo Jimenez 29 25 9 8 12 1 0 142.1 150 86 16 72 125 7.90 99.7 0.1 1.56 5.44

2016 stats....

The last 3 columns are WAR (which supposedly mean something) WHIP and ERA... are you excited?
 

Chris Davis 157 566 99 125 21 0 38 84 260 88 219 1 .221 .332 .459 .792 2.4

The .221 avg is a concern. 219 k's after 2018 last year. 88 bb's which means that he does have an eye, but how deceiving is that? How many times is he up there taking a called third strike? Strikes out every 2.59 ab. if he gets 4 ab's thats 2 ks. Obviously the weirdo stats are deceptive and do not take into account his K rate at all. It's obvious we overpaid for him, but can he improve? Would you accept that he's a good but not great hitter? 

 

I would accept that he is one of the younger better power hitters in the game.  I prefer so many pitchers to Ubaldo but he was who would come to pitch at Camden Yards for less than 30 million a year.  I wish he had been scared off as well. 

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10 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:
Yovani Gallardo 23 23 8 6 8 0 0 118.0 126 71 16 61 85 6.48 91.6 0.2 1.58 5.42
Ubaldo Jimenez 29 25 9 8 12 1 0 142.1 150 86 16 72 125 7.90 99.7 0.1 1.56 5.44

2016 stats....

The last 3 columns are WAR (which supposedly mean something) WHIP and ERA... are you excited?
 

Chris Davis 157 566 99 125 21 0 38 84 260 88 219 1 .221 .332 .459 .792 2.4

The .221 avg is a concern. 219 k's after 2018 last year. 88 bb's which means that he does have an eye, but how deceiving is that? How many times is he up there taking a called third strike? Strikes out every 2.59 ab. if he gets 4 ab's thats 2 ks. Obviously the weirdo stats are deceptive and do not take into account his K rate at all. It's obvious we overpaid for him, but can he improve? Would you accept that he's a good but not great hitter? 

 

This thread is starting to ramble all over the place.   Connolly wasn't arguing that the Orioles money has been wisely spent.    His sole point was that arguments that the O's are stingy are outdated, and I think he's undeniably correct about that, even if the O's are still frugal in certain areas (such as giving up draft picks to dump bad but relatively small contracts).    

The argument over whether money has been spent wisely and efficiently is a whole other subject.   I share your concern that the Davis contract might prevent the club from signing a Manny, which would be a gross misallocation of resources.   And obviously there have been some stinker contracts -- but it's hard to say if we've done worse than most teams in that regard.    3 playoff appearances in 5 years suggests the answer is no, but I realize there are other data points to consider.  

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Just now, Frobby said:

This thread is starting to ramble all over the place.   Connolly wasn't arguing that the Orioles money has been wisely spent.    His sole point was that arguments that the O's are stingy are outdated, and I think he's undeniably correct about that, even if the O's are still frugal in certain areas (such as giving up draft picks to dump bad but relatively small contracts).    

The argument over whether money has been spent wisely and efficiently is a whole other subject.   I share your concern that the Davis contract might prevent the club from signing a Manny, which would be a gross misallocation of resources.   And obviously there have been some stinker contracts -- but it's hard to say if we've done worse than most teams in that regard.    3 playoff appearances in 5 years suggests the answer is no, but I realize there are other data points to consider.  

No he did not. In fact, he made a case for not spending on big FAs.  Including Davis. 

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

This thread is starting to ramble all over the place.   Connolly wasn't arguing that the Orioles money has been wisely spent.    His sole point was that arguments that the O's are stingy are outdated, and I think he's undeniably correct about that, even if the O's are still frugal in certain areas (such as giving up draft picks to dump bad but relatively small contracts).    

The argument over whether money has been spent wisely and efficiently is a whole other subject.   I share your concern that the Davis contract might prevent the club from signing a Manny, which would be a gross misallocation of resources.   And obviously there have been some stinker contracts -- but it's hard to say if we've done worse than most teams in that regard.    3 playoff appearances in 5 years suggests the answer is no, but I realize there are other data points to consider.  

My apologies for this, but in my rambling, I'm clearly making the case for more "bad" investment. If that means giving Manny and Schoop "insane money" so be it... where we sit in the payroll dept doesn't matter. If you're giving CD stupid money, you better find a lot more to pay Manny and Schoop.

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Just now, big_sparxx said:

My apologies for this, but in my rambling, I'm clearly making the case for more "bad" investment. If that means giving Manny and Schoop "insane money" so be it... where we sit in the payroll dept doesn't matter. If you're giving CD stupid money, you better find a lot more to pay Manny and Schoop.

I think that if you are giving CD stupid money you have to be really smart with what is left of your budget.

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7 minutes ago, weams said:

No he did not. In fact, he made a case for not spending on big FAs.  Including Davis. 

and I have no issue with that. If you're going to play that way so be it, but there's no possible justification for doing it once for Crush and then all of a sudden saying... oops can't do Manny or Schoop.

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Just now, big_sparxx said:

lingering noncompetitive for the next 20 years does not make for a great recipe of success.

And you think having Davis, Manny, Schoop and 22 bodies is the right path to contention?

As opposed to having one albatross surrounded by a smartly built team.

I'm a Schoop fan but I'm not interested in giving him a long term big money contract.

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