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10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I'll take the way Weaver actually used his roster vs. one random remark he made about fleas.   In the years he managed, overall the O's were slightly below average in stolen bases.    He had six teams that finished in the top 5 in the AL in SB, and of course his teams were usually excellent defensively.     Under Buck, the O's have never finished higher than 10th in SB, and have been dead last for three consecutive years.    He definitely has used speed far less than Earl did.    Of course, the ballparks and his team's strengths dictate that.   

 

Earl had a way deeper bench. Two or three platoons if he wanted to.

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On 2/22/2017 at 8:08 AM, webbrick2010 said:

Wow, can't believe all this talk about extending Kim

His problem and why Buck didn't like playing him is not his hitting, but that he is a terrible OF'er. He has way below average speed and arm

So basically you have a DH with no power. Not a guy that you extend, not a guy that is more than a part time player.

 

On 2/22/2017 at 11:03 AM, terps19 said:

No power?  We shall see about that.  

 

I was behind, didn't want to quote this from 5 pages ago but...

 

Kim has some power. He's a lot like Ichiro. Not nearly as good of course but the same type of hitter. Slash hitter to left, sprays the ball around, good ABs sees pitches, and if he gets the right pitch he can definitely turn on it to right. I could see him hitting 10 HR.

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2 hours ago, weams said:

There are very , very few lefties. He's on the good foot. 

 

Why do you post so much music?

Because they pay me every time I do dumass. If you're the smartest man in America how come you didn't know that?

 

 

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19 hours ago, big_sparxx said:

well that's one thing. I'm failing to see your logic though. More expensive less tools. over less expensive more tools. Can you compare any of them with Bourn (again we don't know about Gentry) defensively?

Do you really think Bourn is the best all-around outfielder in camp (other than Jones)? If we were talking about 2011-2012 era Michael Bourn, then sure. But the current edition of Michael Bourn has not been a particularly good player in five years. He brings more speed and defense than the other candidates, but at the expense of a weak bat. And at 34 years old, he's in danger of slowing down.

I'll take Kim's OBP skills and excellent plate approach over Bourn's speed. If you want to use Bourn as a defensive replacement late in games, I can get behind that, but Kim should be the starter.

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1 hour ago, PaulFolk said:

Do you really think Bourn is the best all-around outfielder in camp (other than Jones)? If we were talking about 2011-2012 era Michael Bourn, then sure. But the current edition of Michael Bourn has not been a particularly good player in five years. He brings more speed and defense than the other candidates, but at the expense of a weak bat. And at 34 years old, he's in danger of slowing down.

I'll take Kim's OBP skills and excellent plate approach over Bourn's speed. If you want to use Bourn as a defensive replacement late in games, I can get behind that, but Kim should be the starter.

Bourn was had a couple of apparently outstanding defensive seasons in 2010 and 2012, but hasn't been close to that level since.  He's basically a slightly above average fielder with a .680 OPS.  A decent reserve, defensive replacement for guys like Kim.  But he'll never be a good regular again.

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1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Bourn was had a couple of apparently outstanding defensive seasons in 2010 and 2012, but hasn't been close to that level since.  He's basically a slightly above average fielder with a .680 OPS.  A decent reserve, defensive replacement for guys like Kim.  But he'll never be a good regular again.

Bourn had a good run with us last year, that is probably misleading a lot of people who didn't see much of him the last few years other than that.     Kind of like De Aza at the end of 2014.     But maybe he'll surprise us.

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don't mean to imply I think it's likely.    If he makes the team and we get 0.7 WAR out of him, I'd consider that a huge success.  

That has to be the plan.  He's a fourth outfielder who'll hopefully get 250 PAs.  If he had 0.7 WAR it works out, if he's -0.7 WAR then oh well.  If he gets 525 PAs then we know something's gone awry.

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6 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Bourn was had a couple of apparently outstanding defensive seasons in 2010 and 2012, but hasn't been close to that level since.  He's basically a slightly above average fielder with a .680 OPS.  A decent reserve, defensive replacement for guys like Kim.  But he'll never be a good regular again.

He stole all those bases one year when he was young. And got paid to do the wild thing. 

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