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On 9/9/2021 at 9:08 PM, Can_of_corn said:
He's 22 and listed at 6'3" 203. How much do you expect him to fill out?
He’ll probably be at least 220 lbs. Depends on what they do with him positionally. Mountcastle put on some weight this past year, in his legs particularly.
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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:Bo Jackson struck out 841 times in 2626 PA (32%}, in an era when the average strikeout rate was 14-15%. Just sayin’.
I understand the Jackson analogy, but people should remember that baseball is not only about athleticism. Bo Jackson was a good but flawed baseball player, who undoubtedly could have been better if he’d concentrated solely on baseball. And, his career was cut short by a football injury. But personally, I don’t think he would have been a great player under any circumstances. Just a good and hugely entertaining one.
If I thought Green’s upside was Jackson if he’d been healthy and had only played baseball, I wouldn’t necessarily pick him no. 1. There might be someone I like better than that.
There you go, throwing facts into the conversation. LOL
My comment was more to the point that Green is not the athlete Bo Jackson was. Bo ran a 4.1 40 yard dash.
That is an interesting conversation to have, what would Bo have been if he focused on just baseball at an early age. I would think he would have improved the k rate somewhat because it was so important in the game then. More repetition alone would have helped that, but to what %, IDK. He surely was an exciting player often.
Bo had less than half a minor league season in 1986 with 212 AA at bats. In MLB, his career k rate was as you cited. In 1990, his fourth season, His k rate in 456 at bats was 28% and his OPS+ was 142. He was injured shortly after. He showed marked improvement each year. He only tallied 8.3 career WAR according to BBREF, but it was certainly on the upswing in the prime of his career.
Bo ran the OF fence at Memorial Stadium after a catch. He broke a bat by simply checking his swing. His arm and exit velocity are things of legend. His competitive nature was also top shelf. Bo had a nasty streak to him between the lines.
Speed 80, Arm 80, Power 80, Defense 55-60, Hit 40
Frobby, those are big tools. It’s a hypothetical, but hard to imagine passing on those tools at 1-1 if he is focused only on baseball. Especially in his time. Now, his development today would be completely different. He would have a hitting guru from the age of 10. A personal trainer, an OF coach, and he would get the best instruction from coaches begging his father to coach him.
Bo was the athlete he was, in part, because he played football. Sports like football help create competitive athletes. Baseball does not create athletes, it only utilizes them. That is why every college baseball coach wants players that played other sports like football and basketball. It is the first thing every coach asked my son after a brief introduction.
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3 hours ago, Hazmat said:
If we are interested in taking a likely 2B that high, Jung will be the safer pick. I like the idea of a high upside CF like Green or Jones.
If it is a HS pick, Jones is more polished and the son of a possible HOF CF. Green is exciting, but it’s a lot of swing and miss. Elias probably taps a college bat again, but long way to go.
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4 hours ago, Ruzious said:
I'm no expert, but I think Jones is a better prospect than Green. Have you ever seen a more effortless looking short power swing - coming from a guy who's maybe 180 lbs? His father might have become an all-time great if he had stayed in better shape.
Johnson looks like he will hit for power and average. Do you take a smaller stocky 2B at 1-1 or 1-2? IDK. Maybe.
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The Berry kid, a switch-hitting 1B at LSU might enter the conversation for the Orioles pick. He is transferring from Arizona to follow his coach, and he might be able to play some 3B. We know that Elias likes college bats with plate discipline, intelligence and high exit velo. Not saying he is the guy, but he should be in the conversation.
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Long way from the draft. Johnson may not stick at SS, but the bat is special. Green can show amazing athleticism, but he is not Bo Jackson. A lot of swing and miss with Green, but we’ll see. Drew Jones might end up on the top of the heap. No weaknesses in his game.
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27 minutes ago, wildcard said:
So how did the Mateo go unclaimed through the entire National League?
I think that changed to worst record, regardless of league, a few years ago. Maybe I am wrong.
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38 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
Barreda is a guy that can help us get the #1 pick next year.
Hunter Harvey needs to be shopped.
Probably will not get much, but I agree. In his nine years, he has done nothing to give us hope he will be reliable enough to hold onto. Not a question of talent, for sure. Sad. NEXT!
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1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I guess Hunter Harvey will be carried on the 40 man roster this offseason, but will he ever pitch meaningful innings for the Orioles?
I think he has a good chance of being DFA’d. I doubt they can work a trade for a guy who is injured 80% of the time. I don’t care how talented you are, if you cannot stay healthy, what does it matter? We need the roster spot for guys who can actually contribute to the team.
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I have been a member of The Hangout since 1997. We have had some characters come and go along the way, including pretend insiders and posters claiming to be something they clearly were not. Weams was the opposite of those posers. Weams was what he was, just a genuinely good man. A knowledgeable fan, a kind soul and everyone liked him. I remember he used to send me a birthday message each year on my birthday. And each year, it brought a smile to my face that he would think of me. I suspect he did that for many here. Just one example of Michael being a man he did not have to be.
Michael, I regret that we never actually met. Living in Florida all these years, I have been to many Spring training games and seeing the picture of you I am sure that I have seen you and Denise somewhere along the way. I regret never making an effort to plan to meet up with Michael and Denise while they were here. Our trips were usually last minute, and with several kids in tow.
Denise, with the stories I have read over the years, and certainly in this thread, I can see why Michael was so happy in life. JustD, my prayers are with you.
RIP Weams, you were a special part of my experience here. You will be, and have been, missed. I look forward some day to meeting you in the stands of the Field of Dreams. By then, you should have the place mapped out and know the players and coaches well enough to have casual conversations with them.
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3 hours ago, Frobby said:
My vote would be to try him as a starter. Next year is the year to try him in that role and see what kind of success he has. If it doesn’t work, you can move him back to the pen in the second half of the year or later. But we may as well find out.
I agree. They would have to build him up next year, which would mean limiting his pitch count/innings to some extent. He seems to have a starter’s repertoire and mentality.
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On 9/2/2021 at 1:17 PM, RZNJ said:
That was just idle chit chat on a message board. We don't really know.
Elias actually made reference to Jones’ need to stay in Norfolk to work on his defense despite his hot hitting in or around early June, I believe. It was during a zoom press conference and Elias was asked about Jones and why he was not called up. So, the many reporters got that idea directly from Elias. And as we have seen, there are some very athletic glimpses of brilliance, but some clear signs that he is still learning the position. The hitting will come. He just has to get comfortable, and have some success to build his confidence that he belongs.
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I was actually more annoyed with Hyde’s decision to pitch to Stanton with 1B open. The only run that matters is at 2B, so why not walk Stanton? You get a force at any base and maybe a chance at a DP. Really just a terrible decision.
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13 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:
He has had two off seasons, if he hasn't tried to build a bullpen he should probably be fired.
I see this a lot. "Its okay the Orioles are terrible because Elias has tried to make [insert aspect of team] better."
Its a pretty lazy team building. The GM should always try and build more talent into the system and that doesn't always take free agent signings.
While its great he has built a top farm system we also need to acknowledge that Elias has been fairly terrible at identifying additional talent.
Maybe Wells, maybe Urias, maybe Mateo. Not much there.
I don’t think he’s been terrible. Was he actually trying to build a ML team? The three you mentioned were two waiver claims and a rule 5 pick. Waiver claims are another team’s trash that they were unable to trade. His rule 5 track record is not too great, but injuries to Martin make the grade incomplete just yet. The two pitchers in 2020 and Sceroler in 2021 were just not worthy.
He did sign Iglesias, Galvis and Franco to FA deals. Iglesias was fantastic and Elias traded him since his value will not ever be higher. Galvis was pretty good before the injury, and he traded him for a low end bullpen minor league arm. Franco looked about 50 years old most of the year, but most thought he would be a slight improvement over Ruiz.
He signed Matt Harvey, who has been up and down, sure. But he has been a good cheap veteran addition. A role model for the young guys to see what a real pro looks like in his routine and the way he prepares and competes. Tommy Milone worked out pretty good as well. He got bargain basement performance for bargain basement prices.
Severino was a waiver claim, and yes, he’s been maddening often. Some good, some bad. Rio Ruiz was the same. Both were solid claims though. Hanser Alberto was not a bad claim either.
I am sure I am forgetting other acquisitions, but it isn’t a bad list. It is what it is. A rebuild. He was open about it the entire time. He was not going to sink resources into the ML team for the first few years. I think this coming year is when it begins to change. Maybe I am wrong, but to judge Elias on his talent acquisitions is premature in my opinion.
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40 minutes ago, ChuckS said:
This makes me a little nervous but hopefully it's just a matter of making adjustments.
As advanced and intelligent a hitter as he is, should be just a matter of time and experience. Adjustments made when necessary.
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Westburg struggling in AA Bowie is a great experience for him. The Melewski article references his struggles with the inside fastball and velocity. I like the way his development has happened this year, with the struggles happening now in AA. It gives him something to work specifically to improve on over the off season. His development has been a success this year.
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I have said it before, but Coby Mayo is a dude. He can really hit, not just a power guy. A better overall athlete than many think, but his slow feet need a lot of work. He isn’t a clumsy big masher, but the feet are a tick slow for a MLB 3B in today’s game, right now anyway. It really shows when he throws on the move. He can improve some there and maybe enough to stay at 3B long term. But I am not optimistic, honestly. I hope he proves me wrong.
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On 8/25/2021 at 12:14 PM, RZNJ said:
You think he starts the season there? Even Mayo had to put some time in at the FCL. Willems isn't going to have many AB's by the end of the season from the looks of it.
As a hitter, Willems might be able to start in Delmarva. Like you, I think it is just a bit of a stretch. Though low A ball isn’t quite what it used to be. As a catcher, if he stays behind the plate, I would think he would stay in FCL/Extended Spring to work on his game for a few months. He needs to be serious about his conditioning as well.
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I think Henderson should be just fine. He needs to make some adjustments in his approach in some situations, and he may not be a SS for long, but he is a talent. He may not be the quick-rising superstar that some hoped for when he was tearing up Delmarva, but he is still a very good prospect with legit power and arm tools. Aberdeen is notoriously a difficult park to hit for power, just saying. His intangibles are excellent, and that will help him process what he is going through. The struggle will make him stronger, and a better player long term. He is 20 yoa in High A.
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These kids are 15-16 years of age, high school sophomores, more or less. They are raw and undeveloped. Scouting these kids is all about athleticism and projection.
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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:
The Nats rapport with 16 years old Dominicans is off the chain.
The Nats have had a strong international market presence for many years. They’ve had several reach MLB in the past ten years, Soto being the crown jewel, of course.
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18 hours ago, rm5678 said:
To me, Cedric has looked tired & worn out for the past week or so. Hasn't been himself either at the plate or in the field. He's been playing day in / day out for 5 months, and I think it's starting to catch up with him. He might need a few days off to regroup.
I thought so too, and then he was money last night.
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3 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
What clear indication have you seen of ownership meddling since Mike Elias was signed? I have not seen any. I always assume there is some, behind the scenes, but there has not been any moment where I have seen a signature Angelos impediment to team functionality. This is just a dark time in Orioles’ history. But it is always darkest before the dawn.
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Richie has essentially lost two years of development due to injury and COVID. He needs to play everyday, somewhere. He might be a 40 man drop, but he will have no trouble getting a job, hopefully stays in the organization. He just never seems comfortable in any facet of the game at the major league level. He needs to be able to relax and slow the game down.
I see grades on Mateo’s arm being a 60, and I think that is about right. Again, another guy that just needs to get comfortable and trust his game. When he has no time to think, I like his actions. The routine plays, like a lot of guys, he seems to guide the ball rather than just throw it. He has not played much in a few years either, not in games, and not much of his little time on the field was spent on the dirt. So, it may not be pretty, at times, but the right thing to do is to see him at SS the rest of the year as much as possible. Being out of options, they have no choice but to play him and make their evaluation. Definitely a guy that needs to play Winter ball in the Caribbean.
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Cody Sedlock 2021
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It has been interesting to see how Sedlock has developed this year. After being unprotected for two R5 drafts, he may have changed the organization’s perspective on him.
I wonder if the organizational focus on 4 seam with hop up in the zone now changed with the sticky stuff crackdown. If so, perhaps he now benefits from it.