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If Gibson is on the postseason roster and I hope not, the only way he should be used is to save the bullpen if a game gets out of hand early. He is exactly who we thought he was going to be. An innings eater with a +5 ERA. That's not what you need in the playoffs. That game yesterday was one of the most frustrating games of the year. No way Gibson or Voth should be on the postseason roster.

He can't just move the team. This isn't the NFL. It would have to be approved by the owners and that ain't happening period...end of story!!!!

Gibson and Voth need to be off the team now. This is ridiculous. Even his outing against the Jays he was shaky early and was fortunate to get past the 4th when he settled down.

I'd rather have Hicks than McKenna. They both may be on the expanded roster. But I don't think it matters much. I just hope it's not a 3rd catcher. I expect the pitcher to be Wells and Means added later. Who goes when Means is activated? Could be Irvin or Fuji, anyone else? I don't think Baker/Vespi/Krehbiel/Baumann make it back. Of those I guess Baumann is the most likely.

lol value is value. Thanks for your opinion. That's what message boards are for.

If I did the spreadsheet correctly, the O's spent $11,384,800 total on the 2023 draft. Thats down from well over !9M

Guys like these are traded every year. I said they didn't have much value but they could fetch cash or maybe even international slot $. I think Wells is more than a waiver claim and at least one GM gave up a low-level prospect for Irvin. There might be a second one out there.

I don't agree. They have some value. It's not much but both are at least MLB bullpen pieces on some teams who are still cheap and can give you length.

I would not be shocked to see one of Kremer, Wells, or Irvin traded. I expect ME to sign one of his veteran starters like the Gibson's of the world. I don't agree with it but I would not be shocked.

I guess it would depend on finding someone who trusts that his season translates to future success. I don't have that level of trust.

True that!

If he chooses to do so. I also trust him if he chooses not to add a pitcher. He obviously knows more about running a team than I do.

Some of these guys work out and just as many usually don’t. The difference in many such examples is dumb luck. Signing FA is as much a crap shoot as there is in pro sports.

That doesn’t mean do nothing. I also noted the wisdom and the validity of those who think differently.

Come on. This is hyperbole. I don’t think folks are saying “do nothing.” I could use the same logic to say that people on here who want to waste money or trade prospects for average pitchers is mind boggling. People are entitled to their opinions. Just because you have a different opinion doesn’t mean that other’s opinions are a joke.

That is certainly a way to go. Maybe even the smart way to go.

We are not far off on this. I would like to push Wells to the pen where I think he belongs. If they can do it on a short term deal then great. But, I don't think that type of pitcher really moves the needle. For instance, does a guy like Gibson stay another year. I don't like the Gibson's of the world. So, in that case, I'd rather have Wells in the rotation. I would trade one of Hays/Santander and Mateo be strictly a bench player. O'Hearn, McKenna, Hicks, etc... are all replaceable

I would say that that team had a decent farm system. Nothing like today's and the PD is far better today. I am certainly not saying that anyone who wants to add to the team is wrong. I am saying that no one knows the future and very sound decisions made during the offseason whether it is to go with outside additions or internal options are valid but there are risks to both. I prefer to mitigate those risks at this point by not taking on a large contract that flops or trade a way prospects that may be internal options over the next few years. If this approach proves wrong, it is much easier to change course than the other way around. Bad contracts suck and once you trade a prospect, he is gone. Plenty of teams "upgrade" on paper and it doesn't translate to the field. I am articulating my thoughts and preferences. With the current roster and internal options, I would be inclined to make a few changes and replace primarily internally.

yep. and we all know how the 17 team turned out.

I think the franchise is in very different places then/now. Those were much more veteran teams and the player development stunk. There is no way of knowing how things would have turned out if they had done things differently. May have been better, may have been worse.

Yes, A team on track to win nearly 100 games doesn't need a lot of change. There a definite changes I would make but they would be to clear space for a couple prospects.

Yes, standing pat is also a risk. Increasing talent sounds great in a vacuum but it is not that simple. I can upgrade "talent" but there is always a chance the talent doesn't perform or gets injured. Same with standing pat. It comes down to making an evaluation and deciding on a course of action. In my current role as a message board GM I would not spend a large amount of cash or prospect capital to upgrade the projected rotation going into next season.

Yep, that's a different issue. Pitching is so fragile. I understand that I am risk adverse when it comes to acquiring pitching and sometimes you have to roll the dice. I would love to have a SP step up and bump Wells to the pen. It is the fear of wasting money and/or prospects if the deal/trade flops.

In general, I don't like FA pitchers. I think you rarely get value. I also expect further improvement of the current SP. I think that a rotation of Means, Bradish, Kremer, Rodriguez, Wells etc. is fine. I would like to upgrade but I don't like the risk.

I was actually just thinking about this. I think they trade one of Hays or Santander but not both. I think Gibson, Mateo and Frazier are gone and should be. I honestly don't want them to sign any free agent unless its a true ACE. I know they won't so that's a non-issue. I don't even think they need to sign a BP arm (I'm sure they will) if you keep Wells and Hall in the pen. I'm very excited to see the next wave of prospects. Although I disagree with the notion that we have to trade some of them because they are blocked.