Moose Milligan

Yeah, getting rid of bloated contracts is a terrible idea.

Oh that National League! The thinking fans league! Will the manager or won't the manager pinch hit for the pitcher!?!?!?!?!?!?

Why'd Gausman only go 5 with 80 pitches today?

It'd be awesome if Nunez turns out to be a solid player for us.

One thing I've been wondering lately is how are BABIP and other stats reflected NOT JUST ON THE COUNT but the number of pitches in the total at bat. The first time a batter reaches a 3-2 count, IMO, is vastly different than a 3-2 count after the batter has fouled off 3 pitches. IMO, the batter has the advantage. He's seen more. He's got more information to work with. By then, he's probably seen everything the pitcher has to offer and nothing should really be a surprise. I've seen plenty of information on stats in different counts but no one seems to talk about pitches per at bat and repeating counts (again, 3-2, fouling off consecutive pitches. A 1-2 count, fouling off pitches, working it even or even full...an at bat that spans 7 or 8 pitches).

Inclined to agree with this. There are such things as loud outs, though. A deep fly to the warning track that maybe got hurt by the wind. A bullet to the third baseman where he doesn't have to move. A screaming grounder down the first base line.

Wow, logical. Unbelievable.

Well, those things might make a difference for him. But that fastball is still straight as an arrow. I think the NL will catch on and Gausman will regress to his norm.

Right, but your opinion doesn't take into account why he's better all of a sudden. Gausman pitched like a 3 or 4 for good teams while he was here. Saying he's probably a #2 in the AL isn't based in any kind of reality. Again, his FIP. I know you won't talk about it because it goes against what you'd like to believe but his FIP isn't great. Fielding has nothing to do with it.

After reading this, I've done a 180. You're right, it was a terrible dumb trade. He hasn't been gone that long but Gausman was routinely going 8 scoreless innings for the Orioles with an ERA significantly better than the rest of the starters. I mean...wow. How could I be so shortsighted. I am pretty sure Gausman was *this* good while he was here and now playing for a team in a weaker division in a weaker league with a better defense behind him has precisely nothing to do with why he's great. Thanks for clearing this up for me, I just don't know how I didn't recognize greatness when it was right here in Baltimore. Obviously if your OH handle is a tribute to the greatest hockey player ever, you are fully aware of what a greatness means and I am just a peon.

Really, why? Just cause you said so? If we get a piece or two that's crucial to our rebuild it will not be a.......stupid trade. That takes into account getting international money for VVM and other prospects. I know you discredit that for whatever reason but it's important.

Remains to be seen.

Calm down. We need to see how the players we got panned out. Even so, Gausman went to a way easier division in an easier league with a better club that's got a better defense. It's certainly not a surprise that he's doing better, though I bet the Braves probably made some changes to his mechanics. One thing to note, K rate still isn't that high, it's actually lower than it was here. Not like he's whiffing 8 or 9 a start. and dominating. 17k's over 4 starts isn't great.

Maybe he's just not that good?

Yeah, he's not stick skinny but he's also a generous 6'1. I remember seeing all those crazy workout videos he did when he was drafted and thinking that those all couldn't be good for someone who's pitching.

I don't like watching him play, either. But the Orioles are invested in trying to get him to return to form. And that, for you posters who are pearl clutching at Davis playing, means...playing Davis. I know we'd all be real excited to see Trey Mancini at first base for some dumb reason but the Orioles want to see if Davis can get anywhere close to being a productive player again. As they should, they still owe him a lot of money for a lot of years. But let's not let logic get in the way of a good emotional rant about having to watch him flail away each night.

Looks like he had a good outing last night. https://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/braves-already-won-trade-deadline-with-kevin-gausman/Hr0KFtXGeLZHPzigDAxrML/

They do, some more than others.

24 in December. Yeah, still relatively young but you'd like a top prospect not making their debut at that age, especially someone drafted out of high school. But you are right, definitely have to wonder if he'll ever be healthy enough. I am sure @Luke-OHcan provide some insight as to body type for a pitcher, but to me the stick skinny guys just seem more prone to breaking down like this. That's obviously not a hard and fast rule as there are plenty of skinny guys that have made it as pitchers. But you look at a guy like Gray-Rod vs. Harvey...Grayson seems to be a bit more built for power pitching. I dunno, I'm talking out of my ass here but whatever.

Hunter Harvey, shut down with elbow discomfort.

I agree with this. His future performance is irrelevant if he turns into Arrieta 2.0 because we all know it wasn't going to happen for Arrieta here. We all know it wasn't going to happen for Gausman here. I've asked it before, I'll ask it again. What would people rather have done with these two, not dealt them and just continued to screw up their careers? The problem, of course, is the Orioles lack of ability to draft and develop frontline starting pitching. If people want to take the Orioles to task for that, sign me up. But if people want to blast the Orioles and bad trades when we should all be able to agree that Arrieta was terrible here and not going to get better and Gausman wasn't going to reach his full potential here....well, it's faulty logic to me.

How about not caring cause he's not on our team anymore?

OMG GAUSMAN TONITE!! I HOPE HE DOES WELL SO I CAN BLAST THE ORIOLES FOR MAKING A BAD TRADE!!! Tell me this isn't the thought process among some posters here.

I hope he ends up happy wherever he is.

I understand why you guys would think Jones goes to SD but if we've learned one thing about him this year, he wants to be close to this area for his wife, kids, charity. SD makes sense for Jones cause he grew up there but if he doesn't wanna get traded out of Baltimore for those reasons he mentioned earlier this year, I don't see him going to a west coast team.