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Mets want a top 100. I was surprised to find out the Astros don't have one. My guess is Verlander winds up with the Dodgers. Cards have been consistent saying they want pitching back.

Dan Connolly posted on Sportsnaut an O's trade for Jordan Montgomery and Jordan Hicks. Cards get DL Hall, Dylan Beavers and Justin Armbruester. Thoughts? Personally I'm not a fan of Hicks and I'd rather sub someone for Beavers because I think he's worth some patience.

I agree. We need a starter to allow Wells to go to the pen where I believe he will be very good the rest of the year. Wells returns to the rotation next year. My guess is they're taking a run at Logan Gilbert or Bryce Miller but if the price is too high, they wind up with someone like Jordan Montgomery, Steven Matz or JP Sears. I'd say Ortiz only goes for a guy like Gilbert or Miller. I'm thinking Grayson starts until mid to late Sept and then he moves to the pen. Means won't have time to build up as a starter but if Wells, Grayson and Means are added to the pen for the playoffs, I'd feel pretty good.

I wonder if Sig feels the same about trading prospects for guys with plenty of team control, as opposed to a rental? We've seen Hernaiz for Irvin. We've seen Lucas for Fuji. I hope his point is not trading prospects for rentals rather than pushing back on trading more highly thought of prospects for players with 2-3 years of remaining control.

My realistic best case is 2 more RP's and 1 SP. I think Fuginami will be a big plus and I think 2 more guys similar to him are on the way. Wonder if one is Genesis Cabrera who has the big stuff but doesn't throw enough strikes. Do the O's feel they can adjust him within a few weeks and get him right? I don't think we acquire any of the big names, Stroman, Hader, Snell, none of those guys. If we acquire a SP, I think it'll be a guy with a lot of team control remaining like a Logan Gilbert or Bryce Miller. That seems like the kind of deal where Ortiz is involved. SEA fits Ortiz well with their need for a 2Bman now and maybe a SS in a year or 2. Gilbert is 6'6" so I think he's the preferred guy. I don't see any way Frazier or Urias are traded but I'm hoping someone overpays for Mountcastle (Philly?) or Mateo (SFG?). I'm counting on the Phillies GM to gut their farm and the Giants are just 2 games back so I think they'll be active. Earlier I would have said Prieto would have been traded but seeing how much the O's value the L/R lineups, and looking at his profile, I think Prieto becomes the '24 version of Frazier. There are too many parallels in their hit profile. I'm curious whether Rodriguez winds up in the pen mid-Sept. That makes sense to me. I don't forsee any more rentals headed this way and I'm surprised they did with Fuginami but to me, he's got a real good chance to finish the year really strong. On the other hand, they've got some 40 man issues that could be cleared up and that may lead to another trade for a rental but I doubt it.

74 K's in 67 IP with 14 HBP and 14 HR's. Didn't throw many innings until his last season. Gave up 5 HR's to Kent State then came back 8 days later and held them to 2 ER's in 6 IP. It'll be interesting to see what they can do with this guy.

If Elias is looking at the Cards, I'd bet he's looking to see if they can help the command for Genesis Cabrera rather than a position player.

DBU is a good program. They were a 2 seed in the Stillwater Regional and won 2 games before Oral Roberts knocked them out. They're 11th in NCAA wins since 2015.

Friday night starter most of the year.

74 K's in 49.1 IP.

I don't think Frazier will be traded. Hope Mateo is. Then one of Ortiz or Urias is traded IMO. Last week, I thought it'd be Ortiz but if Mountcastle stays up, I think it's Urias and we bring Ortiz up. By Aug 1, I think 2 of Ortiz, Urias and Mateo are gone.

How long did they put DL Hall in the pen before bringing him up? 3 weeks? If McDermott goes to the Tides pen, maybe they'll do that.

I think Just Regular had a good point that this is one game before the 4 day break. Bullpen is in pretty good shape so you go a pitcher short and maybe a pinch hit opportunity vs a lefty gives him a shot. If he's here and playing regularly after the break, I'll be right behind you in the riot. I don't disagree with anything you're saying other than I don't think this is an indication of their long term thinking. But I am worried that it might be a bad sign.

I agree. But you still try to make the best decisions daily, whether you were last in the WS 5 years ago or 40 years ago. I'm saying the 40 year drought shouldn't cause them to build with urgency at the cost of longer term success.

I think that's where we're headed too. I think we wind up with 2 AA starters (or someone like Woo or Meyer) and 2 MLB relievers at the deadline.

Should this affect the way decisions are made today on how to improve the organization?

But we don't have to expect that from a Mateo trade. All I'd want from him in return is something we believe will make the organization better long term. That could very well be a 17 y.o. Dominican right now. We'll have to find pitching elsewhere.

As of today, Miami would be a playoff team. Would you do that deal if it brought back MiLB pitching that doesn't help until next year? Or if you got a legit prospect (Max Meyer or Dax Fulton) (help next year) plus a MLB reliever (help this year)? My personal opinion is that Hays won't be traded until after next season and Santander goes this off season, not at the deadline but if the return is good enough, maybe Santander goes.

Is Gonzalez also known as Grayson Rodriguez?

SEA is really struggling at second. I'm sure they would want Ortiz+. No idea how much more.

I agree that it's about the long term. Servais said "he's not going to pitch for awhile." No idea what or how long that means but if he's out for say 20-22 days, that might actually help in October. I remember Campbell pitching at Arkansas dealing. That doesn't tell what he'll be in MLB but I like that guy.

Bryce Miller went on the IL 7/5 with a blister. I'd check on Woo and Isaiah Campbell too.

I agree that it's Joey Ortiz and I think there's a good chance that he goes on to have a nice career. I think Urias has more value than others think and maybe he nets a MLB bullpen arm that the O's feel like they can improve. I don't see Elias in the market for a rental or a TOR guy so maybe Norby or Prieto brings back a guy who is a viable starting pitcher in a year or so. A Povich/McDermott/Seth Johnson type target. I'm hoping Houston sees their dumpster fire at first and short left field wall and sends young pitching for Mountcastle but the above seems more likely than this. At the same time, Mountcastle would fit vs LHP on the O's better if Urias is dealt. Hopefully Houston or Philly sees more in him than that.

And/or Chayce McDermott.

Thanks for gathering all of this. Terrific.