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Mullins has trade value going into the 2024 season. He will have trade value going into the 2025 season. And there's a good chance for a bounce back year or even a random great year like in 2021 that would increase his trade value.

Mullins will have trade value, but he'll also have the same trade value after next season if not even more trade value. O's can't afford to move on from him yet.

The thing with Hays for me is that I think he'd be a great fourth outfielder. But is that a role that he's willing to accept and is that a way the O's would utilize him? This might not be the move that's best for business but out of respect to Hays, I'd rather trade him somewhere he can have a better opportunity. I don't think his approach at the plate is good enough to be a starter on this team, but he clearly has value defensively and off the bench. His overall production would be the easiest to replace. Santander? I don't think the O's can lose his power yet when they don't have any proven replacements. And Mountcastle/O'Hearn I'm good with holding for now until there's a better option at 1B. Mullins I'm not trading in 2024. Hays and Urias/Mateo are the ones who are on the hot seat, in my opinion.

Not trading Mullins. Under contract for two more years. Really good value. Injuries are a concern but he's a much better hitter than his numbers showed this year. A 3.0 WAR kind of guy each year. At minimum, wait a year to trade him. I don't mind getting rid of O'Hearn, Urias or Mateo. I think O'Hearn stays, though. I don't see the point of trading him. How much value does he have? I actually would like to trade Hays the most. I'd like to bring back Hicks for depth. Westburg - He played all three postseason games. I think the O's like him and he stays as a starter at 2B. Ortiz - I think he's gone. If he's just going to be a 4th infielder, then trade him as opposed to Mateo or Urias who have far less trade value. Kjerstad - Need his bat. Needs consistent playing time early next year Mayo - Midseason call up Holliday - Permanent SS whenever he gets the call Cowser - Needs PT early next year at the MLB level Norby - Hold Stowers - Good as gone C - Rutschman 1B - Mountcastle 2B - Westburg 3B - Henderson SS - Holliday LF - Cowser CF - Mullins RF - Santander/Kjerstad DH - Santander/Kjerstad B - McCann B - Hicks B - O'Hearn B - one of Mateo/Urias This is assuming no FA signings. I think you're holding on most of the MLB level players until the prospects are ready. You can trade them midseason if/when the time comes.

Agreed. These Orioles playoff seasons are always so intense. 162 games. It's rare that O's fans have a team like we have had the last two years now, so I'm not willing to take it for granted and I'm going to watch the O's as much as I can. 2012 was the same way for me - it was a grind getting through 162 games, most of which take up your entire evening. Hopefully the O's are just starting a long run of good teams, and I won't feel the need to grind out the entire season so extensively. For that reason, I'm also thankful for the new rule changes that speed up a game. In addition to the O's putting out a team worth watching, I think the rule changes made for better quality as well.

I've been a lurker here for upwards of 20 years. My profile says 2022, but I've been here for a long time. Only recently have I started to post occasionally. I've always appreciated Frobby's posts. Probably the best poster I've ever seen on a forum. Well thought out, hardly argumentative, always productive. I also appreciate Tony's insights. I find them very valuable, and another person who always has productive and well thought out posts.

It depends on what the O's do with their rotation over the offseason. I'm comfortable with Bradish, Gray-Rod, and Means, and Kremer is fine for the back end of the rotation. But if the O's don't make a significant move for the last spot in the rotation, they'll need some fire power and flexibility to round out their rotation. Hall is a guy that they may be able to bounce around as an innings eater. I'd like to keep Wells in the bullpen, but he's probably earned the right to compete for a rotation spot with how he performed in the first half of the season and how good he looked to end the season. But I'd really like to see him be a late innings guy for 2024. I'm just not a fan of his as a starter, and I think he has the ability to be a top top reliever. And with Bautista out, there's an opportunity there.

I actually thought Bradish looked pretty good. 9 Ks in 4.2 innings. Gave up some hits but only walked one. Wells looked good. There's a lot more to build around than just the obvious guys like Gunnar, Adley, Rodriguez, and Holliday. I'd like to see Hicks back in an O's uniform next year. I'm just happy all of the young guys got postseason experience. My biggest concern for the offseason is Angelos not spending. The O's went from Odor and Lyles to Frazier and Gibson. Upgrades, but not massive upgrades, but a step in the right direction. Now they go from Frazier and Gibson to what?

That’s fair, but if Grayson doesn’t have a bad start like that we’re not talking about Baker. Flaherty would have probably been the best option. But I don’t think Grayson giving up 5 runs after being given a 2-0 lead can be overlooked. That was the number one problem with Game 2.

It was Masn, and Irvin was/is listed on their post. Surprised they never edited it. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyGlesArmCA/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==

Oh wow, that’s what I thought at first but then I saw one list that said he was, and I’m pretty sure it was from the O’s social media team. I was confused so I checked it twice. Weird.

I don't know, maybe it's just me. Game 1 was fine. It's the playoffs and it was competitive through the last out. Some things didn't go the Orioles way. But nothing to really be upset over. Game 2, Grayson just didn't bring it. But the bats and the team showed energy and life. If Grayson put together an okay performance, we might be sitting here with a 1-1 tie and feeling decent. But the starting pitching hasn't been as good as Texas' starting pitching. What brings it back? Scoring first with our lineup becoming electric again, and shutting the door with pitching each inning. Or just a crazy comeback win that gives the O's some momentum, which we've seen time and time this year.

I know they're trying to win a series, but I do think that Kremer getting postseason experience has value over a guy that won't be on the team next year. Perhaps they'll use Gibson as well tonight and deal with a Game 4 starter if/when that time comes. Could be back to back "bullpen" games. They still have Irvin available as well. Personally, I like the idea of limiting our pitchers to one time through the order and try to chip away inning by inning at this 2-0 deficit.

Just getting the game back to Camden would be a big achievement, certainly do-able. Honestly, getting out of Camden might benefit the Orioles the way Texas flipped all of the O's bats to the right side. But bringing it back home to Baltimore for Game 5 would be pretty incredible. At minimum, this is invaluable experience for the O's youngsters.

The playoffs aren't supposed to be fair. They just need to make some minor tweaks. Perhaps going back to the one game playoff for the Wild Card round would be an option. At minimum, no one is going to complain about getting a bye if they don't have to play a one game playoff. Plus it would mess up the wild card teams rotations a little more, and wouldn't allow one team to get into a groove.

So a team can win Game 6 down 2-3 in a series and win the series? Or Game 4 down 1-2? C'mon. Like that's going to make things better.

I don’t like pinch hitting with O’Hearn there for that reason. But I don’t think he would have subbed Henderson for Mateo. if nothing else it’s a learning moment for Henderson. We’re not going back to Showalter not using Britton. You play the guys who got you there.

No, but this is just clearly backseat driving.

He had a 3-0 count. You’re bunting with a 3-0 count?

I gotta stay out of these game threads. Lose a game by 1 run. Going to get swept now. I feel like this is how these threads have been all year long.

Not they. It was Henderson.

Good point about Ripken. 1996 Brady Anderson anyone? 2005 Brian Roberts?

I could absolutely see the O’s doing a “bullpen” game in 3 and/or 4 and using the likes of Means, Kremer and/or Gibson one time through the order or so. Even Wells, perhaps.

2nd page in and I don’t think anyone has said Cal yet lol. This while some people think Mateo might spot start at SS

Love it. Melvin Mora from the mid 2000s would be another one from that time period.