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Watch the video. He's jogging for the last five steps once Holliday waves him off. Had he been in a sprint I think he'd have gotten to it (for a really nice catch).

I thought Cedric looked like he pulled up based on how authoritative Holliday was waving him off. Cedric may have anticipated a collision. Holliday probably was just a little too hyped up and will need to settle in a little bit. Not great, but much like the rest of his game it just looked like he may have been pushing through nerves/hype a bit. No concerns for me on that; I’m just glad he’s getting this experience now versus down the stretch this year.

I really think they like Mateo a lot. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s rostered through next season, which I believe is his final arbitration year. They really value that speed, especially in late game PH/PR opportunities.

To be fair, you think our local PBP is ass as well. Tough standards.

Quick, let’s all head over to their board and see if we can make a 400 page thread about Ramon Urias.

2026? Holliday - 2B Adley - C Gunnar - SS Mayo - 3B Basallo - 1B Cowser - LF Kjerstad - RF Westburg - DH Bradfield - CF

I think if he’d OPSd similar to his cup of coffee in AAA last year he’d still be down until May/June. In that event they probably just liked Kemp a tiny bit more. Not the first time we’ve seen Elias do something that to us appears baffling like that.

Looking at the Os website it appears that the next three nights will be national broadcasts (MLBN, MLBN, Apple +)

You really know how to turn the charm on in a relationship, huh?

In my naively optimistic little brain, I LIKE to imagine this is Mike Elias explaining his MILB player promotion system to Rubenstein, who calmly just says, “Relax dude, we’ll just pay him.”

I wouldn’t be shocked if his performance, plus Urias/Kemp’s performance, plus the couple of close (or near close) losses impacted by the anemic offense may have slightly impacted the conversation. But this was probably always the plan unless he actually genuinely struggled, in which case the Kemp move was probably decent insurance to cover the team through May/June.

Agreed. The promotion being directly tied to the service time date they needed to hit for the draft pick seemingly confirms that, barring an unknown injury.

Guessing they really did get a little cute with all those LHPs to open the season. And now they are (thankfully) realizing it could be the difference between making versus not making the playoffs if they waited until June.

I agree on the older vets. I don't think the package for Cease is as impressive as you're making it out to be in comparison to what we're talking about here. Norby and Povich have been on top-100 lists and I think a case could be made that they're both fringe top-100 guys right now. Stowers has some value as a LH bat that could develop. Just because he hasn't forced his way onto this team doesn't mean he has no MLB future. McDermott has control issues but is a LHP with swing-and-miss stuff. Again, I don't think the Marlins do this deal without a higher level prospect replacing someone. But I also don't think it's as far off as we would have thought it was during the offseason.

Yikes.

Not sure your tone is warranted for a general question I threw out there to start a discussion. My question was have those player's hot starts improved their value enough to where they could be key pieces in a deal for someone like Luzardo, or would they still need a top 5 player from our system? Your answer is no. I'd tend to agree, but I also think a package of the O's #6, #8, and #9 prospects (per MLB Pipeline), plus Stowers, has more value than your post suggests it does. One other issue with the Marlins is what they'll be looking for. When we were contemplating the White Sox needs, we assumed they were looking for younger upside pieces that might be a ways out. The same may be true for the Marlins, but they also may be interested in building around the return of Alcantara and Perez, potentially as soon as later next year. MLB ready prospects tearing up AAA may have more value than higher ceiling/lower floor guys in the low minors.

Reading through this thread reminds me of my favorite GWB quote.

Basically, the value lost by not having Holliday for 10%-25% of the season, plus the value gained if he's good enough to acquire the pick, don't outweigh the cost savings from having him gain the year of service time versus Super 2 status. Part of the analysis is that if he's not good enough to earn the top-2 ROY vote, then you can always send him down mid-season anyway because he's probably not instrumental in helping the team to the playoffs. Also, given the competition for ROY voting, Clemens' model shows taking Holliday from 600 PA to 450 PA only reduces his chances of placing top-2 in ROY voting from 43% to 36%. Not much of an impact to lose 25% of the season. I think the one flaw with the analysis is that the year of control isn't just about the $ amount. The year itself is in many ways more important than how much you're paying for the year.