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Whatever you say...I will take that bet. Strop is completely unreliable. In the NL East where he hasn't melted down yet he could have success for a short period of time, but I doubt it. I am glad we traded Strop.

Strop the year before last, was pretty much lights out the entire year for us.

He had an injury and a hitch in his motion last year that has been corrected, so I wouldn't be quick to say he is completely unreliable.

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I continue to be amazed as to how everyone wants Balfour so bad. Despite the second half shakiness, despite the away splits, despite the fact that he is 36 yo and has logged alot of innings, and now despite something indicating a less than healthy right shoulder.

I am very excited that this deal may fall thru it was a bad idea.

By the way I would be willing to bet a few Marbles that Pedro Strop has more saves this year than Grant Balfour

Jake Arietta has more wins than the O's # 5 starter

LJ Hoes has a higher OBP, more SB, and more runs scored than the O's LF'er

and

Josh Hader gets to 10 ML wins before Dylan Bundy

Pedro Strop is far too unreliable for any playoff contender to mess with. The bar in Chicago right now is Kevin Gregg.

You don't know who the Orioles number five starter is. Neither do I.

I think you have a chance with LJ. Only because the Orioles are a much stronger team and LJ will get lots of opportunity to shine in that AAA environment.

Hader will not sniff the Majors until 2016, and then probably as a reliever.

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Whatever you say...I will take that bet. Strop is completely unreliable. In the NL East where he hasn't melted down yet he could have success for a short period of time, but I doubt it. I am glad we traded Strop.

And so are the Cubs, ERA+ of 173 in 2012

ERA+ of 140 last year with the Cubs

guys like that don't grow on trees, and they got him and a viable young cost controlled starting pitcher for a 2 month rental of a #5 starter.

Theo will have the Cubs back in the post season in the next couple years

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I continue to be amazed as to how everyone wants Balfour so bad. Despite the second half shakiness, despite the away splits, despite the fact that he is 36 yo and has logged alot of innings, and now despite something indicating a less than healthy right shoulder.

I am very excited that this deal may fall thru it was a bad idea.

By the way I would be willing to bet a few Marbles that Pedro Strop has more saves this year than Grant Balfour

Jake Arietta has more wins than the O's # 5 starter

LJ Hoes has a higher OBP, more SB, and more runs scored than the O's LF'er

and

Josh Hader gets to 10 ML wins before Dylan Bundy

Classy. You're "excited" that the guy may have an arm injury. Because signing him is a bad idea.

You do know that Balfour pitches for a living?

The only way Strop has more saves than Balfour is if Balfour is unable to pitch this season.

Arrietta will have more Triple A wins than the Orioles starter.

I doubt it. Whatever combination the Orioles put out in LF will outperform whatever Hoes does in Houston.

Hader is healthy, Bundy is coming off of TJ surgery. If Hader makes his MLB debut this year, he'll get a head start. Once again, way to bet against an injured player.

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Strop the year before last, was pretty much lights out the entire year for us.

He had an injury and a hitch in his motion last year that has been corrected, so I wouldn't be quick to say he is completely unreliable.

You do remember that he was about to be DFA'd before the trade right?

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Pedro Strop is far too unreliable for any playoff contender to mess with. The bar in Chicago right now is Kevin Gregg.

You don't know who the Orioles number five starter is. Neither do I.

I think you have a chance with LJ. Only because the Orioles are a much stronger team and LJ will get lots of opportunity to shine in that AAA environment.

Hader will not sniff the Majors until 2016, and then probably as a reliever.

Funny you mention Kevin Gregg, may be the best option for the O's in 2014

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You do remember that he was about to be DFA'd before the trade right?

You guys love to keep saying that... how come he was able to go to the Cubs an post an ERA+ of 140

Does that sound like a guy that should have been DFA'd

O's could and should have kept on the roster. They kept McFarland all year and guess what Theo would fall down laughing if we offered McFarland straight up for Strop.

Buck lost confidence in him and once your off of Buck's favorites list there is no coming back. All he needed was regular work, which he got with the Cubs and responded

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Classy. You're "excited" that the guy may have an arm injury. Because signing him is a bad idea.

Hader is healthy, Bundy is coming off of TJ surgery. If Hader makes his MLB debut this year, he'll get a head start. Once again, way to bet against an injured player.

Hader is coming of a year in A ball. He is 19. That is why folks love him so. He also struck out 6.4 per nine and walked 4.8 for the Astros. In A ball. He is not pitching in the majors anytime soon. I believe when he does, he will be a reliever.

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This may be a dumb question, but here it is:

Do teams routinely do MRI's (or whatever) after the season on pitchers arm and elbows of their throwing arm?

I thought it was mentioned here that it was, but could be wrong. It would seem to me that it would be a good way to prescribe an off season program to rehab a problem before it became more serious.

Does the Player's Contract prevent such a thing? Do agents? I know HIPA regs prevent disclosure of medical information to unwanted parties, but they can be waived and extended to other parties. I would think they are waived for current team and should be waived to new teams once a tentative agreement has been reached either via trade or FA (If Beane knew, but Balfour is no longer an A, then the agent should have disclosed the info).

There are only losers in this particular case. I feel bad for both the O's and Balfour. A 36 year old is certainly going to have wear and tear on his arm. It's just a matter when it reaches a potential critical problem.

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You do remember that he was about to be DFA'd before the trade right?

This past year, yes, he was unreliable, and yes the fans was willing to pack his bags and drive him out of town free of charge.

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2012 he was very effective for us, and he return to being effective with the Cubs.

So I stand by my statement about how I would not be willing to say Strop is completely unreliable.

He has a much longer period of being good, than bad.

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You guys love to keep saying that... how come he was able to go to the Cubs an post an ERA+ of 140

Does that sound like a guy that should have been DFA'd

O's could and should have kept on the roster. They kept McFarland all year and guess what Theo would fall down laughing if we offered McFarland straight up for Strop.

Buck lost confidence in him and once your off of Buck's favorites list there is no coming back. All he needed was regular work, which he got with the Cubs and responded

John Parrish had an ERA+ of 239 for us one season. That does not mean he was destined for greatness.

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Classy. You're "excited" that the guy may have an arm injury. Because signing him is a bad idea.

You do know that Balfour pitches for a living?

The only way Strop has more saves than Balfour is if Balfour is unable to pitch this season.

Arrietta will have more Triple A wins than the Orioles starter.

I doubt it. Whatever combination the Orioles put out in LF will outperform whatever Hoes does in Houston.

Hader is healthy, Bundy is coming off of TJ surgery. If Hader makes his MLB debut this year, he'll get a head start. Once again, way to bet against an injured player.

Not sure why I bother... but

I said I was excited that the deal may fall thru NOT that I was excited that Grant Balfour was injured

Pitches for a living?? Wow if his career ended at 36 (pretty good for a pitcher) he would be destitute. He makes more money in a month than the average US citizin makes in a lifetime.

Josh Hader is 20 and in High A ball, Dylan Bundy will be healthy and have an opportunity to pitch in the majors before Hader... so once again you are just wrong

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I can't believe people are seriously calling for Strop back. He was literally and utterly terrible for us last year. He should have been released outright.

For whatever reason, he needed a change of scenery. Buck gave him tons of chances, high leverage and low leverage, and he failed in nearly all of them.

I'm glad for him that he has somewhat resurrected his career in CHI, but that was a very short sample and for me the jury is still out. It was time for him to leave the Orioles.

I'm super disappointed this Balfour injury has showed up. I thought he would be very good for us. In no way should that mean we should second guess the Strop deal. It was time for him to go.

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Not sure why I bother... but

I said I was excited that the deal may fall thru NOT that I was excited that Grant Balfour was injured

Pitches for a living?? Wow if his career ended at 36 (pretty good for a pitcher) he would be destitute. He makes more money in a month than the average US citizin makes in a lifetime.

Josh Hader is 20 and in High A ball, Dylan Bundy will be healthy and have an opportunity to pitch in the majors before Hader... so once again you are just wrong

Then don't bother.

The reason that the deal may fall through is because of a health issue. The fact is something came up during the physical and you posted that you are "excited" about the deal falling through. You can spin this any way you like, but your excitement is the result of a possible physical issue.

I never stated that Balfour would be destitute, I'm sure that he enjoys his job playing baseball as well being exteremely well paid.

I'm only pointing out that a potential shoulder injury may hinder his career.

The bolded is another example of your rooting against an injured player. The only way that Hader reaches 10 wins before Bundy is if Bundy is unable to come back from TJ surgery and not pitch in the majors.

Lastly, I'm not wrong about anything. You are the one making bold predictions, I guess We'll see if your predictions regarding Strop, Arrietta and your beloved Cubs come true. I'll admit if I'm wrong at that point in time.

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