Orioles trade for Kelly Johnson and Michael Almanzar

[wildcard]

These are depth moves and nothing else. De Aza is not better than David Lough (this year). He didn't become a full time player until 28 and seems to be regressing.

2012 .760

2013 .728

2014 .663

David Lough has been buried on the bench since he blew his chance in April and May. I do not see De Aza as some kind of significant upgrade but now the O's have two such players instead of one. De Aza is likely non tendered this winter. Lough probably comes back next year.

Kelly Johnson is not a good player anymore, offensively or defensively. He might be a nice PH option for Jon Schoop in a tight spot though.

I think its too early to say whether De Aza comes back next year with the O's or not. Depends on what he shows in September.

[CA-ORIOLE]

These are depth moves and nothing else. De Aza is not better than David Lough (this year). He didn't become a full time player until 28 and seems to be regressing.

2012 .760

2013 .728

2014 .663

David Lough has been buried on the bench since he blew his chance in April and May. I do not see De Aza as some kind of significant upgrade but now the O's have two such players instead of one. De Aza is likely non tendered this winter. Lough probably comes back next year.

Kelly Johnson is not a good player anymore, offensively or defensively. He might be a nice PH option for Jon Schoop in a tight spot though.

De Aza is still hitting RHP pretty well this year (747 OPS/343 OBP). He will see time in LF the rest of the way. Johnson very well could end up being an option at third base imo.

[tom_o'malley]

My understanding is different. As long as the orioles have Players on the DL (they obviously do), as long as the player is on the 40 man roster, he's eligible. Teams have to submit their eligible 25 man roster from the eligible pool (of say, 26-29 players) before each playoff series. FWIW, the mlb app already shows Johnson on the 40 man (although this is obvs not definitive). Bottom line, today's 25 doesn't mean everything as long as the player is in the organization:

To be eligible for a team's postseason roster, a player must be on any of the following: (a) the active 25-man roster (b) the disabled list, © the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight ET.[1] The only exception is that a player who is on the disabled list at the end of the regular season may be replaced on the postseason roster by any other player who was in the organization on August 31, with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions

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[weams]

Announcing a trade and being in the organization are to different things. The O's have to submit his name on the roster to the commissioner's office. When the O's do that is the official act that puts Kelly Johnson in the O's organization. We don't know whether will happen. Today or tomorrow.

The O's have said that De Aza will be with the team today. He will be on the roster and eligible for post season play. There is not one set of rules for De Aza and another set for Kelly Johnson. Johnson has to be placed on the 25 man roster today to be eligible for post season play. Its unclear if that will happen today.

No, that is not true. He is on the 40 man roster awaiting assignment. It was submitted. And Weeks is on the Red Sox 40. They get time to assign after league submission.

[weams]

Here is is. It is official. Now we can stop going back and forth on it.

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=bal

[weams]

Almanzar is NOT on the 40 man. He is on minor league contract and will be added to the 40 when he needs protected.

[wildcard]

No, that is not true. He is on the 40 man roster awaiting assignment. It was submitted. And Weeks is on the Red Sox 40. They get time to assign after league submission.

I am not aware of a way to get Kelly Johnson on the 40 man roster without him being on the 25 roster if it is done before September 1st. I will be interested to see how this turns out.

[wildcard]

Here is is. It is official. Now we can stop going back and forth on it.

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=bal

The O's website is not official. The submission to the commissioner officer is official.

[wildcard]

Almanzar is NOT on the 40 man. He is on minor league contract and will be added to the 40 when he needs protected.

Good point.

[weams]

The O's website is not official. The submission to the commissioner officer is official.

It's actually a MLB website. Supplied for the Orioles.

[wildcard]

This is not conclusive but is another data point from Orioles.com

Both Duquette and Showalter expect him to join the club on Monday when rosters can expand to 40 players.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/bal/orioles-acquire-outfielder-alejandro-de-aza-from-white-sox-kelly-johnson-from-red-sox?ymd=20140830&content_id=92287074&vkey=news_bal

[weams]

This is not conclusive but is another data point for Orioles.com

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/bal/orioles-acquire-outfielder-alejandro-de-aza-from-white-sox-kelly-johnson-from-red-sox?ymd=20140830&content_id=92287074&vkey=news_bal

He is on the 40 man roster. He is eligible. He was submitted last night.

[wildcard]

It's actually a MLB website. Supplied for the Orioles.

It's still not official.

[weams]

It's still not official.

Ok. But him being on the 40 man is. Just call and ask!

[CA-ORIOLE]

Probably. Buck likes to throw guys in their right away just like he did with Clevenger and Paredes. De Aza will probably platoon in LF as long as he hits.

Sounds right. I think he gets more rope than Clevenger though.