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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing the trade is far from complete. Sources telling me it could be falling apart. Total confusion. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/marlins?src=hash">#marlins</a></p>— clarkspencer (@clarkspencer) <a href="

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I expect nothing until Friday. Dan waits out the trade market just like the free agent market.

If Cespedes becomes the Nelson Cruz 1 yr/$8M profile, he could be in that weird spot Friday switching sides of the field.

Please God let that happen, I have LF tickets for the Saturday game.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now hearing the trade is far from complete. Sources telling me it could be falling apart. Total confusion. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/marlins?src=hash">#marlins</a></p>? clarkspencer (@clarkspencer) <a href="
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This reeks of dodgers bailing and stalling to see if they can land price

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I expect nothing until Friday. Dan waits out the trade market just like the free agent market.

If Cespedes becomes the Nelson Cruz 1 yr/$8M profile, he could be in that weird spot Friday switching sides of the field.

Does he? Feldman was acquired well before the deadline. As was Norris i believe. Miller was truly the only major deadline acquisition.

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Does he? Feldman was acquired well before the deadline. As was Norris i believe. Miller was truly the only major deadline acquisition.

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Feldman, yes.

Norris was aquired the afternoon of July 31. I remember being in Buffalo taking the NY bar exam on July 31,2013, finishing, and then running back to my hotel to check orioleshangout and rotoworld. And sure enough, Norris was dealt here.

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Dan loves waiting until the last day to make any moves.. sometimes the last couple minutes(Norris trade).

A part of me wants to get a big bat like Cespedes or Upton but I know it's probably going to come at a steep price.

I think there needs to be a couple additions in order for this team to make the playoffs. The team as is? I'm not sure it's enough to grab a wildcard slot.

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Dan loves waiting until the last day to make any moves.. sometimes the last couple minutes(Norris trade).

A part of me wants to get a big bat like Cespedes or Upton but I know it's probably going to come at a steep price.

I think there needs to be a couple additions in order for this team to make the playoffs. The team as is? I'm not sure it's enough to grab a wildcard slot.

Depends what DET will want for Cespedes. I would do Wright/Wilson plus someone like Alvarez.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">after phils yet again ask for severino or judge, yanks will talk to tigers on price. <a href="http://t.co/FmmWGs7ytm">http://t.co/FmmWGs7ytm</a></p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="

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@JoeFrisaro: This #Marlins #Dodgers trade was agreed upon last night. So fact it's not announced has insiders wondering if it will fall through?

Sounds like the team wanting Morse is backing out. Could be because Cespedes is on the market. We should be rooting for the Morse trade to go through. Could be the Mets wanting Cespedes.

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