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Orioles Select RF Aneury Tavarez From Boston and LF Anthony Santander from Cleveland


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39 minutes ago, weams said:

That would work quite well. It's why some thought little Yaz could be snatched. Of course he'd be 30 until someone could use him...

Clearly the Rule 5 is benefiting the player in the case...rolls eyes.

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4 hours ago, PaulFolk said:

That would just be kicking the can down the road another year. He has to be on the active roster for at least 90 days or he doesn't fulfill the Rule 5 requirements and they'd have to carry him for the entire 2018 season as well.

Yep, you are right, forgot about that aspect. I'd rather Duquette spend that kind of money on a couple good AAAA/depth guys to stash at AAA. I can't see this guy making the jump.

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4 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Tony we contended last year with Reimold putting up a .664 OPS and subpar defense in the outfield as usual.    I agree that carrying a guy like Santander is not optimal.   He should be getting AB's in AA.   However, he might be able to hit just enough to justify a spot.    He's worth a look in ST.  

I guess I have to disagree. Why waste spring training PAs on a guy who played in High A ball last year who just had his first success in pro ball at 22-years old? If we were looking like a last place team or rebuilding, I'd be all over this, but at the end of the day, the Red Sox added Sale, the Yankees re-added Chapman (after getting prospects for him last year)  and we added a 22-year old A-ball outfielder in the Rule 5 draft.

I'm all about finding value, but it just sends a bad message in my mind and I'm usually supportive of Duquette's Rule 5 looks.

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4 hours ago, RZNJ said:

When you select a player in the AAA and AA phase, you don't have to give them back.   It would have been a no brainer for the O's to pick him in one of those phases.    Each team gets to protect a certain amount of players on their AAA and AA rosters.   Players who aren't on the 40 man roster.    I would assume that Santander was protected on one of those rosters.    Otherwise the Orioles would have done just what you suggested.

Yes, clearly Santander was protected on a Double-A roster. Guys taken in the minor league portion are seriously organizational guys which is why they are basically free to take.

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I don't see either of these guys making the team. 

Tavarez's only shot is if he proves to be a better player than Rickard in Spring Training and they want to send Rickard to Norfolk and/or Rickard is hurt.  You gotta figure we add another outfielder or two through free agency, so there just won't be room.  

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6 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Tony,  

 

He had an .801 OPS as a 20 year old in the Midwest League and had an .862 OPS as a 21 year old in the Carolina league.   He just turned 22 in October.   We can disagree on whether it's worth keeping a guy like that on a contender when it's a longshot that he's even close to being ML ready.    However, when you look at  the writeup on him (sounds like he has the tools to be a ML average LF.) and the stats, we'd be going crazy if D.J. Stewart had put those kind of numbers up last year over a full season in the Carolina League AND he was playing at age 22 all season long.   I'm not sure how this guy is only the Indians's #30 prospect unless they haven't been updated to reflect his 2016 season.    It seems to me, he's a top 10 prospect in our system based on the numbers and the writeup.

Let me ask some of the scouts I know who probably saw him this year. If you want me to tell you he's a better prospect than Stewart, i probably wouldn't argue much, but that has more to do with Stewart than him.

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33 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Tony,  

 

He had an .801 OPS as a 20 year old in the Midwest League and had an .862 OPS as a 21 year old in the Carolina league.   He just turned 22 in October.   We can disagree on whether it's worth keeping a guy like that on a contender when it's a longshot that he's even close to being ML ready.    However, when you look at  the writeup on him (sounds like he has the tools to be a ML average LF.) and the stats, we'd be going crazy if D.J. Stewart had put those kind of numbers up last year over a full season in the Carolina League AND he was playing at age 22 all season long.   I'm not sure how this guy is only the Indians's #30 prospect unless they haven't been updated to reflect his 2016 season.    It seems to me, he's a top 10 prospect in our system based on the numbers and the writeup.

Both guys we drafted would have good cases to be in our top 10.  That's not saying much though.  You gotta like that we took two guys coming off huge years.  Maybe they put it together.  

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Both guys we drafted would have good cases to be in our top 10.  That's not saying much though.  You gotta like that we took two guys coming off huge years.  Maybe they put it together.  

Tavarez?  I get the impression that he's a lesser prospect than Mullens - who's 23rd on the O's list.  At least Mullens is a CFer and seems to have more power potential.  

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1 hour ago, Number5 said:

Well, it is possible at the start the season, if Santander is on the DL.

With labrum surgery.  He'd have to. In fact, he'll be able to go 60 day DL.

Dan just said 40 doubles three time when talking about his work in the Carolina league. He says those guys play in the majors. 

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5 minutes ago, weams said:

With labrum surgery.  He'd have to. In fact, he'll be able to go 60 day DL.

Dan just said 40 doubles three time when talking about his work in the Carolina league. He says those guys play in the majors. 

I like Duq's take (always positive, natch) - 

"Duquette on Santander: “He’s a disciple of Victor Martinez. If you see him play, he has a lot of Martinez’s mannerisms. He has a similar stance. Excellent young hitter. He was the best young player in the Carolina League.

“He had 95 RBIs, hit over 20 home runs and is just 22 years old. He was the youngest player we were considering for the draft. But we like his capability to hit in the big leagues, from both sides of the plate with power."

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2016/12/dan-duquette-on-the-orioles-two-rule-5-selections.html

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8 hours ago, bobmc said:

I like Duq's take (always positive, natch) - 

"Duquette on Santander: “He’s a disciple of Victor Martinez. If you see him play, he has a lot of Martinez’s mannerisms. He has a similar stance. Excellent young hitter. He was the best young player in the Carolina League.

“He had 95 RBIs, hit over 20 home runs and is just 22 years old. He was the youngest player we were considering for the draft. But we like his capability to hit in the big leagues, from both sides of the plate with power."

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2016/12/dan-duquette-on-the-orioles-two-rule-5-selections.html

Thanks for the link.  I can certainly see the assessment that he will be a major league hitter, and the 60-DL thing makes me feel a lot better about the situation.

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9 hours ago, Ruzious said:

Tavarez?  I get the impression that he's a lesser prospect than Mullens - who's 23rd on the O's list.  At least Mullens is a CFer and seems to have more power potential.  

We'll see what Tavarez has in spring training, right?

I mean, this probably has no impact on the Orioles FA OF search.  Tavarez will be fighting for a roster spot.

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2 hours ago, 25 Nuggets said:

We'll see what Tavarez has in spring training, right?

I mean, this probably has no impact on the Orioles FA OF search.  Tavarez will be fighting for a roster spot.

Boston has been known to trade with Dan. 

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