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7 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

I'm sure there are many arbitrary reasons why x player doesn't get voted in one year but then does the next or has a huge jump in percentage.  Otherwise, you would not see so much fluctuation since for the most part it's the same voters.  

But before it would have been "Mussina suffered a drop in the voting as 13 voters dropped him from their ballot" now it is "These 13 voters dropped Mussina from their ballots, click this link to find out why." 

Not the same thing at all.

Do you think their peers and the fans will let it go at "I changed my mind."?

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8 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

I'm sure there are many arbitrary reasons why x player doesn't get voted in one year but then does the next or has a huge jump in percentage.  Otherwise, you would not see so much fluctuation since for the most part it's the same voters.  

The fact that voters can only list ten guys means the votes can fluctuate quite a lot, depending on players who are newly on or off the ballot.   The steroids issue really muddies the picture because opinions on it are varied and not stable.   And, voters tend to get sympathetic when players get to the end of their eligibility period.  

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10 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

How the hell is Vlad not in? Dude is a freaking shoe in. 

I loved watching Vlad play in his prime, but I was surprised how close he was to getting in on the first ballot.   He's 125th all time in rWAR, far behind many other players who didn't get into the Hall.   He never led the league in BA, HR or RBI.   He didn't get 500 homers or 3000 hits.   He was a mediocre outfielder defensively.

Basically, what stands out about Vlad is his ability to hit pitches nowhere near the strike zone.    

I'm not saying that Vlad shouldn't get in to the Hall of Fame, I'm just saying he's not an obvious shoe-in on the merits.    But I do agree he'll likely get in next year, having come this close on his first try.  

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58 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

  Personally, I would have voted for Vlad over Bagwell.  I think he was a more feared hitter and about equal offensively to Bagwell.  I ageed with the other choices.    

The objective measures put Bagwell at a level clearly above Vlad. Bagwell was almost 40 runs above average per 600 PA, Vlad not quite 30. JAWS and rWAR have Bagwell as the 6th-best first baseman of all time, Vlad about 21st in RF.

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4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

And the luck of your peers and who is voting. RF is a perfect example. Vlad is probably not in the same class as Dwight Evans and obviously better than Chuck Klein. Klein is in, Evans out.

Chuck and Vlad are much better baseball names than Dwight.

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1 hour ago, Ruzious said:

I don't remember the details, but there were comments from Caminiti that made it obvious that Bagwell was a user - and at the tag end of his career, he looked like he lost a good 40 lbs of muscle.  But he was a very popular guy, and the writers loved him.  So he gets in while guys like Palmeiro and McGwire don't get serious consideration.  Personally, I would have voted for Vlad over Bagwell.  I think he was a more feared hitter and about equal offensively to Bagwell.  I ageed with the other choices.    

I don't remember that at all.  You're saying Caminiti actually said something implicating Bagwell?  Please elaborate.  Yes, they were friends and teammates, but every player in baseball at the time was friends and/or teammates with someone that was using PED.  Sure would like to see the Caminiti comments you are talking about, because I don't remember anything like that.  Bagwell and Guerrero were comparable players, and rank very highly by similarity scores for each other.  Both were strong, muscular athletes.  I'm confident Vlad will get in.  Bagwell did end up with the higher WAR by a good margin.  Bagwell was eligible before Vlad, and it makes sense for him to precede Vlad into the HOF.  Neither player is any kind of reason for the other to not be enshrined.  Quite the contrary.

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Dwight Evans had one of the two best throwing arms I ever saw in RF, the other being Clemente.   He also was a high OBP guy in the years before that skill was really appreciated.   He walked over 100 times in three seasons and over 95 in three others.   I don't think he got any serious consideration for the Hall of Fame, but he probably should have.  

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15 hours ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Also - Jorge Posada joins the growing list of recent one-and-done candidates with a Hall of Fame case.

This list includes Will Clark, Carlos Delgado, Jim Edmonds, Kenny Lofton, Lou Whitaker and Bernie Williams.

This surprises me.  While certainly not a shoo-in candidate, Posada does deserve consideration, IMO.  ,848 lifetime OPS for a catcher.  Not too shabby.  JAWS has him ranked 16th among catchers.  He certainly was a key part of a lot of really good Yankee teams, and he has quite the post-season record.  I'd probably put him in ahead all of the names of guys who missed out that you listed, with the possible exception of Whitaker.  It is hard to believe that he won't at least be on the ballot for a period of years.  He may have been unlucky by appearing on the ballot along with Pudge.

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3 minutes ago, Number5 said:

This surprises me.  While certainly not a shoo-in candidate, Posada does deserve consideration, IMO.  ,848 lifetime OPS for a catcher.  Not too shabby.  JAWS has him ranked 16th among catchers.  He certainly was a key part of a lot of really good Yankee teams, and he has quite the post-season record.  I'd probably put him in ahead all of the names of guys who missed out that you listed, with the possible exception of Whitaker.  It is hard to believe that he won't at least be on the ballot for a period of years.  He may have been unlucky by appearing on the ballot along with Pudge.

I think there are probably more one-and-done guys these days because the backlog of good but steroids connected players is taking up more votes, thus preventing those votes from going to other more borderline guys. 

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2 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

I think there are probably more one-and-done guys these days because the backlog of good but steroids connected players is taking up more votes, thus preventing those votes from going to other more borderline guys. 

Sounds right to me.    And I'm always glad to see a Yankee off the ballot.   

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19 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

It wasn't Thome, it was Hoffman. Damn it, I knew I mixed someone with Thome. 

I do hope Thome makes it when he's eligible. He was always one of my favorite non-O's. What's funny is my first memory of him is being interviewed on Roy Firestone's Up Close. Never thought that seventeen years later I'd be rooting for him in an Oriole uniform along with Roy. He just seems like such a down to earth guy.  I'll admit that Thome didn't have much defensive value but he could hit and man I loved his stance. Too bad about Hoffman and Vlad just missing it this year but they should make it next year. Congrats to Pudge- IMO the best catcher ever, Bagwell- another guy with a funky stance and a rarity in that he was a 1B that could steal, and Raines- finally gets his due and was a great leadoff man for many years and also the beneficiary of a cool moment with his son his brief time with the O's.

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