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Palmer had excellent command and knew what he wanted to do with every hitter.  I've never seen a pitcher who moved his fielders around nearly as much as Palmer did.  It was amazing how often he would wave to move an outfielder and then, sure enough, the next pitch resulted in a fly ball right to where he moved the outfielder to.  Pitching to the defense is a skill.  It doesn't show up anywhere on the stat sheet, but it is a skill.  Palmer had it.

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15 hours ago, crissfan172 said:

I've always believed that those who used steroids prior to 2004 should be treated the same as those who didn't. The league didn't do anything to deter the rampant steroid use in the sport, so we ended up with an era where these so-called "cheaters" were the norm. Punishing players for using steroids in that kind of environment is unfair and completely revisionist in that it doesn't truly represent that era in the game's history. 

I would never vote for anybody that was caught using PED's after 2004, though. At that point, if you want to break the rules to make money, that's your business, but you're not worthy of the HOF. 

  I think that this is one of the more fair ways to look at the "dilemma" that faces HOF voters. It has always seemed unfair to me that these players put up these numbers in an environment that MLB fostered. Further, if the HOF is going to allow Bud Selig into the Hall, they should at least give fair consideration to the players who put up the PED aided numbers under his watch.

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1 hour ago, Number5 said:

Palmer had excellent command and knew what he wanted to do with every hitter.  I've never seen a pitcher who moved his fielders around nearly as much as Palmer did.  It was amazing how often he would wave to move an outfielder and then, sure enough, the next pitch resulted in a fly ball right to where he moved the outfielder to.  Pitching to the defense is a skill.  It doesn't show up anywhere on the stat sheet, but it is a skill.  Palmer had it.

Amazing, while he didnt mind giving up the solo home run, he never gave up the grand slam.

I image that's what you call pitching well, in high leverage situations. :)

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51 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Amazing, while he didnt mind giving up the solo home run, he never gave up the grand slam.

I image that's what you call pitching well, in high leverage situations. :)

I don't think Jim was willing to give in.

Any idea how many bases loaded walks/HBP he had?

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Just now, WEAVERMAN said:

Keep the cheaters out of the HOF.  PERIOD.

So you want Gaylord Perry and King Kelly removed?  Pud Galvin?  Everyone that used Greenies?

Going to be a small hall when you are done with it.

Remember when Jeter conned an ump into thinking he was HBP when he wasn't?  Guess he won't get in.

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I figured he went into Goggles mode to some degree with the bases loaded.

Well, not so much.   6% walk rate compared to 9% in all situations.    And not just no grand slams, but a .196/.230/.234 slash line against.  That's pretty awesome.   

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Well, not so much.   6% walk rate compared to 9% in all situations.    And not just no grand slams, but a .196/.230/.234 slash line against.  That's pretty awesome.   

And only 1 triple, 2 doubles and 36 singles, in 231 PAs,

Pretty strong pitching in these situations.

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