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I don't have any delusions about the Orioles' playoff chances.

And it's just as clear that Tillman is broken through the end of this year, if not forever.  If you disagree you aren't watching him pitch.

If the Orioles don't have a candidate to replace him it's not an endorsement of Chris Tillman but an utter failure of depth down to the high school draftee level.  I dare you to figure a reason to let him start baseball games right now.  He is not a victim of metrics or an unfortunate.  He sucks in all cardinal directions.  He would be released without his pedigree.

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14 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

I don't have any delusions about the Orioles' playoff chances.

And it's just as clear that Tillman is broken through the end of this year, if not forever.  If you disagree you aren't watching him pitch.

If the Orioles don't have a candidate to replace him it's not an endorsement of Chris Tillman but an utter failure of depth down to the high school draftee level.  I dare you to figure a reason to let him start baseball games right now.  He is not a victim of metrics or an unfortunate.  He sucks in all cardinal directions.  He would be released without his pedigree.

Why do they need to replace him? They have five other starters.

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Sad because he's been the best starter of our recent resurgence (2012-2016).

Yet, he has lost it for sure. He has no command and the stuff is not quite where it was. Prior years, when the stuff would tick down a bit, he could control and change speeds just enough. Hell, the guy pitched the playoff game last year. Albeit, not well, but he's gotten worse after a full offseason. 

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3 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Why do they need to replace him? They have five other starters.

Then use them instead because he doesn't need to see leverage situations more serious than 11-0 mop-up duty.  He can't start.  I can't remember the last time I watched an Orioles season where someone who was so totally trash constantly got to start games this much.  If anyone did it it was Daniel Cabrera but I'm not even sure of that.  At least when he walked 9 he'd strike out 10, yeah?  What's Tillman bring?  What's his upside?

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14 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

Then use them instead because he doesn't need to see leverage situations more serious than 11-0 mop-up duty.  He can't start.  I can't remember the last time I watched an Orioles season where someone who was so totally trash constantly got to start games this much.  If anyone did it it was Daniel Cabrera but I'm not even sure of that.  At least when he walked 9 he'd strike out 10, yeah?  What's Tillman bring?  What's his upside?

I agree, but did you miss Jimenez when he's been awful? And this is all during Buck's tenure. If DD doesn't DFA, then Buck has to have a place for him. That place should be the BP right now, only to be seen in games where they don't want to burn the pen.

Who knows? Maybe he figures things out while he's there.

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50 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

I don't have any delusions about the Orioles' playoff chances.

And it's just as clear that Tillman is broken through the end of this year, if not forever.  If you disagree you aren't watching him pitch.

If the Orioles don't have a candidate to replace him it's not an endorsement of Chris Tillman but an utter failure of depth down to the high school draftee level.  I dare you to figure a reason to let him start baseball games right now.  He is not a victim of metrics or an unfortunate.  He sucks in all cardinal directions.  He would be released without his pedigree.

Re: your first sentence...

Os are very much in the mix for a playoff spot. Their recent run has made it not delusional, I would say. 

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5 minutes ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

Re: your first sentence...

Os are very much in the mix for a playoff spot. Their recent run has made it not delusional, I would say. 

Not with this rotation.  There's no way.  Without changing the rotation it is a self-delusion.

13 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

I agree, but did you miss Jimenez when he's been awful? And this is all during Buck's tenure. If DD doesn't DFA, then Buck has to have a place for him. That place should be the BP right now, only to be seen in games where they don't want to burn the pen.

Who knows? Maybe he figures things out while he's there.

Jimenez starting doesn't endorse Tillman, it just endorses never signing a long term deal.  His roster spot is a farce even moreso than Tillman's.  His contract and playing time embodies the phrase "insists upon itself."

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37 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

I can't remember the last time I watched an Orioles season where someone who was so totally trash constantly got to start games this much.  

This statement was the reason I brought up Jimenez. You don't have to go back to Cabrera to find Orioles pitchers who stink.

And the situation with Jimenez is instructive of how the FO will deal w Tillman. He's making what, $10-11 million? The Orioles don't eat money very often, even when the move seems obvious.

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