Jump to content

Who will be the #5 and #6 prospects?


Tony-OH

Who will be the #5 and #6 prospects?   

74 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will be the #5 and #6 prospects?

    • Diaz and Hays
    • Diaz and Baumann
    • Hays and Diaz
    • Hays and Baumann
    • Kremer and Diaz

This poll is closed to new votes


Recommended Posts

6 hours ago, wildcard said:

These picks is hard.   But I have to go with Kremer/Diaz.

Tony is mostly about ceiling.   Not always but mostly.

Tony had Kremer #4 and Diaz #5 last year.     Did Hays or Baumann do enough to pass them?  I don't think so if Tony is thinking ceiling.

Kremer has the chance to be a 4 pitch starter.   His two best pitches are is curve and is fastball with movement.   I think there is enough speed different between the two pitches that it help keep hitters off balance.   Kremer had a 2.58 ERA with over an K and inning as Frederick.   He carried that forward to AA.   2.98 with over a K per inning.   

Diaz play last season at 22 years old.   I think being younger plays a role here.   He is also rated a Top 100 player by BA.   

Hays and Diaz are very close in talent.  Hays is a little faster and has a better arm but he is 15 months older.  If Elias was doing the ranking I think Hays would be ahead of Diaz because Elias ranks C, SS and CF ahead of corner players.   But again, Tony is about ceiling.  And last year he rated Diaz with a higher ceiling that Hays.   Both had so-so minor league seasons due to injury.   Hays did well in his month in the majors.   But Tony says Hays hasn't proven anything in the majors.

Baumann has two above average hard pitches in his fastball and slider.   His off speed pitches and his control has a ways to go.   He did not have a K and inning at AA.  Last year Tony had him at #20.   He will take a big jump but will he pass the other 3?  I don't think so.

What I think may be different but what we are trying to do here is guess what Tony/Luke think.

 

Yay. I voted for Kremer so you gave me hope.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, NCRaven said:

True.  But, Hays has made it to the bigs - twice - and shows promise at that level.  Diaz, Baumann and Kremer haven’t had a cup of coffee yet.

Hays was the first member of his draft class to play in the majors.    He got delayed in his return.  The talent is still there.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Haha. Knowing the way I type when I'm going too fast, that does seem like something I would do.

The year Switch Hitting Jesus was #1 you had a poll where all 4 or 5 of the choices were Wieters, with various misspellings. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, TGO said:

The year Switch Hitting Jesus was #1 you had a poll where all 4 or 5 of the choices were Wieters, with various misspellings. 

I don't even remember that. :D

Might have been the year I was in Iraq and Drungo helped out with the prospect list.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Philip said:

Hmmm given that Kremer is only mentioned once, he’s odds-on to be the outlier and not in the next four. On the other hand he ended strong and is the youngest of the group.

but I voted for him so that decides it...oh well.

Tony, I know this is. A lot of work for you and for Luke. I really appreciate it. I miss Jon Shepard a lot, but you guys have filled in admirably, and I hope one day I can drag my wife to a home game and buy you both a beer.

I assume you mean you were at his site at one point, because Shepard was never part of OH. I've also been doing this since 1996 so I'm not exactly replacing anyone. I guess thanks though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I assume you mean you were at his site at one point, because Shepard was never part of OH. I've also been doing this since 1996 so I'm not exactly replacing anyone. I guess thanks though.

I think he means he [Philip] hung out at Camden Depot,  And Jon has been a contributor here throughout. I think Philip switched brands.  And he seems to like it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I assume you mean you were at his site at one point, because Shepard was never part of OH. I've also been doing this since 1996 so I'm not exactly replacing anyone. I guess thanks though.

You misunderstood me totally. When I wanted in-depth information about the Orioles I read Camden Depot. Just before Jon shut down I found OH, and was delighted that you guys offer the same in-depth thoughts about the Os. I wasn’t denigrating you at all, I was expressing gratitude. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, weams said:

I think he means he [Philip] hung out at Camden Depot,  And Jon has been a contributor here throughout. I think Philip switched brands.  And he seems to like it. 

Before I found OH, I was at Roch or Steve’s site daily, I read Utah Street hooligans, CC, but the most in-depth commentary was at the Depot. Then I found this place. So I’m here every day and I enjoy it.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Philip said:

You misunderstood me totally. When I wanted in-depth information about the Orioles I read Camden Depot. Just before Jon shut down I found OH, and was delighted that you guys offer the same in-depth thoughts about the Os. I wasn’t denigrating you at all, I was expressing gratitude. 

Got it. Thanks.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Two points for the following people:

  • Pheasants

    22 hours ago
  • Cavspider

    22 hours ago
  • Number5

    Number5

    21 hours ago
  • joelala

    joelala

    21 hours ago
  • Ripken

    Ripken

    21 hours ago
  • Big Mac

    Big Mac

    20 hours ago
  • ReclaimTheCrown

    ReclaimTheCrown

    19 hours ago
  • Spl51

    Spl51

    18 hours ago
  • olddogger

    olddogger

    18 hours ago
  • Too Tall

    18 hours ago
  • SilverRocket

    17 hours ago
  • HarlowFan

    HarlowFan

    17 hours ago
  • luismatos4prez

    luismatos4prez

    15 hours ago
  • jcarm

    14 hours ago
  • Say O!

    13 hours ago
  • foxfield

    foxfield

    12 hours ago
  • hgizzle

    hgizzle

    11 hours ago
  • connja

    connja

    11 hours ago
  • leftygrove

    9 hours ago
  • Pickles

    2 hours ago
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Posts

    • dWAR is just the run value for defense added with the defensive adjustment.  Corner OF spots have a -7.5 run adjustment, while CF has a +2.5 adjustment over 150 games.    Since Cowser played both CF and the corners they pro-rate his time at each to calculate his defensive adjustment. 
    • Just to be clear, though, fWAR also includes a substantial adjustment for position, including a negative one for Cowser.  For a clearer example on that front, as the chart posted higher on this page indicates, Carlos Santana had a +14 OAA — which is the source data that fWAR’s defensive component is based on. That 14 outs above average equates to 11-12 (they use different values on this for some reason) runs better than the average 1B.  So does Santana have a 12.0 defensive value, per fWAR? He does not. That’s because they adjust his defensive value downward to reflect that he’s playing a less difficult/valuable position. In this case, that adjustment comes out to -11.0 runs, as you can see here:   So despite apparently having a bona fide Gold Glove season, Santana’s Fielding Runs value (FanGraphs’ equivalent to dWAR) is barely above average, at 1.1 runs.    Any good WAR calculation is going to adjust for position. Being a good 1B just isn’t worth as much as being an average SS or catcher. Just as being a good LF isn’t worth as much as being an average CF. Every outfielder can play LF — only the best outfielders can play CF.  Where the nuance/context shows up here is with Cowser’s unique situation. Playing LF in OPACY, with all that ground to cover, is not the same as playing LF at Fenway or Yankee Stadium. Treating Cowser’s “position” as equivalent to Tyler O’Neill’s, for example, is not fair. The degree of difficulty is much, much higher at OPACY’s LF, and so the adjustment seems out of whack for him. That’s the one place where I’d say the bWAR value is “unfair” to Cowser.
    • Wait a second here, the reason he's -0.1 in bb-ref dwar is because they're using drs to track his defensive run value.  He's worth 6.6 runs in defense according to fangraphs, which includes adjustments for position, which would give him a fangraphs defensive war of +0.7.
    • A little funny to have provided descriptions of the hits (“weak” single; “500 foot” HR). FIP doesn’t care about any of that either, so it’s kind of an odd thing to add in an effort to make ERA look bad.  Come in, strike out the first hitter, then give up three 108 MPH rocket doubles off the wall. FIP thinks you were absolutely outstanding, and it’s a shame your pathetic defense and/or sheer bad luck let you down. Next time you’ll (probably) get the outcomes you deserve. They’re both flawed. So is xFIP. So is SIERA. So is RA/9. So is WPA. So is xERA. None of them are perfect measures of how a pitcher’s actual performance was, because there’s way too much context and too many variables for any one metric to really encompass.  But when I’m thinking about awards, for me at least, it ends up having to be about the actual outcomes. I don’t really care what a hitter’s xWOBA is when I’m thinking about MVP, and the same is true for pitchers. Did you get the outs? Did the runs score? That’s the “value” that translates to the scoreboard and, ultimately, to the standings. So I think the B-R side of it is more sensible for awards.  I definitely take into account the types of factors that you (and other pitching fWAR advocates) reference as flaws. So if a guy plays in front of a particular bad defense or had a particularly high percentage of inherited runners score, I’d absolutely adjust my take to incorporate that info. And I also 100% go to Fangraphs first when I’m trying to figure out which pitchers we should acquire (i.e., for forward looking purposes).  But I just can’t bring myself say that my Cy Young is just whichever guy had the best ratio of Ks to BBs to HRs over a threshold number of innings. As @Frobby said, it just distills out too much of what actually happened.
    • We were all a lot younger in 2005.  No one wanted to believe Canseco cause he’s a smarmy guy. Like I said, he was the only one telling the truth. It wasn’t a leap of faith to see McGwire up there and Sosa up there and think “yeah, those guys were juicing” but then suddenly look at Raffy and think he was completely innocent.  It’s a sad story. The guy should be in Hall of Fame yet 500 homers and 3,000 hits are gone like a fart in the wind cause his legacy is wagging his finger and thinking he couldn’t get caught.  Don’t fly too close to the sun.  
    • I think if we get the fun sprinkler loving Gunnar that was in the dugout yesterday, I don’t think we have to worry about him pressing. He seemed loose and feeling good with the other guys he was with, like Kremer.
    • I was a lot younger back then, but that betrayal hit really hard because he had been painting himself as literally holier than thou, and shook his finger to a congressional committee and then barely 2 weeks later failed the test.
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...