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[Pickles]

39 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think that's accurate.

I think you are presenting something as fact that is actually simply your personal belief.  Pulling a Wildcard.

Astros didn't fall apart when he left.

 

 

 

I can't prove a hypothetical but I just gave two very strong parallel cases as anecdotal evidence.  Unless I do something that is literally impossible you'll smirk and and smugly act as if you've proven something.

Everybody here knows if Elias has somehow on the open market he'd be highly sought after by any team with an opening, and many teams would make an opening for him if they could get him.  

We know this as surely as we know that Burnes is going to be highly sought after this off-season and will receive a contract at the upper end of the pitching market.  And even if it is merely a hypothetical, we still all know it.

The Astros not falling apart is hardly a condemnation of Elias' work there.  In fact, quite the opposite.

[Pickles]

31 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Because he built the organization doesn’t mean he’s capable of finishing the job. I agree He’s fixed the front office that was broken all the way back to 1983. But, I don’t think he’s particularly good at trading. He’s had the Burnes and Eflin trades but the rest of his trading since we’ve been competitive has been pretty bad. So we allegedly have money to spend according to statements by Rubbenstein. So we can see what happens this season. I think it’s foolish to believe he deserves a blank check and a free pass. So to each his own ….

So to be clear, we're not reducing success to simply winning the world series, but until we win a world series the Orioles arren't successful?

Just want to be clear here.

Or is success just spending money?

The bad trades like the trades for Burnes, Eflin, Bradish, Cano?

What bad trade?  The complete overreaction to one trade, the Rodgers trade?

Who do you want to replace Elias with?  Surely you've this thought this out?

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Pickles said:

I can't prove a hypothetical but I just gave two very strong parallel cases as anecdotal evidence.  Unless I do something that is literally impossible you'll smirk and and smugly act as if you've proven something.

Everybody here knows if Elias has somehow on the open market he'd be highly sought after by any team with an opening, and many teams would make an opening for him if they could get him.  

We know this as surely as we know that Burnes is going to be highly sought after this off-season and will receive a contract at the upper end of the pitching market.  And even if it is merely a hypothetical, we still all know it.

The Astros not falling apart is hardly a condemnation of Elias' work there.  In fact, quite the opposite.

But you didn't state it as a hypothesis, you stated it as a fact.

And for the record I'm sure Elias could get a job in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he could get a lateral move job inside of a season.  (I'm not convinced someone would get fired just because Elias hit the market).

I don't think he'd suddenly be the highest paid executive in the league.

 

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But you didn't state it as a hypothesis, you stated it as a fact.

And for the record I'm sure Elias could get a job in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he could get a lateral move job inside of a season.  (I'm not convinced someone would get fired just because Elias hit the market).

I don't think he'd suddenly be the highest paid executive in the league.

 

It is a fact.

He'd be highly sought after and would be among the highest paid executives in the leage.

Fact.

[Roll Tide]

3 hours ago, Pickles said:

So to be clear, we're not reducing success to simply winning the world series, but until we win a world series the Orioles arren't successful?

Just want to be clear here.

Or is success just spending money?

The bad trades like the trades for Burnes, Eflin, Bradish, Cano?

What bad trade?  The complete overreaction to one trade, the Rodgers trade?

Who do you want to replace Elias with?  Surely you've this thought this out?

Stop putting words in my mouth! 
 

1) The goal needs to be the World Series

2) We need to spend wisely …but we need to spend

3) Oh Stop ….i gave him credit for Eflin and Burnes. The others were during the rebuild and selling trades. Which I said in my response to you, 

4) It’s not one trade …. He’s tried to get help2 deadlines now. Beyond Eflin at two deadlines he’s done little to help the team reach the ultimate goal. 
 

His moves in 2023 were Jack Flaherty who was basically worthless and Fuji who was so inconsistent that he’s not even pitching in the majors. Did I forget anyone?

He did little to help an offense that was struggling mightily in 2024. He gave a lot away this deadline. They got Eflin but most everything else was mediocre or worse. The Rogers deal was just horrible. And why was he shopping in the bargain bin pile. Rogers was a 4.5 ERA starter before the trade which really wasn’t an upgrade and he crapped the bed after he got here. 
 

I’m undecided over who I’d go after to replace Elias when the times comes.

[Pickles]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Stop putting words in my mouth! 
 

1) The goal needs to be the World Series

2) We need to spend wisely …but we need to spend

3) Oh Stop ….i gave him credit for Eflin and Burnes. The others were during the rebuild and selling trades. Which I said in my response to you, 

4) It’s not one trade …. He’s tried to get help2 deadlines now. Beyond Eflin at two deadlines he’s done little to help the team reach the ultimate goal. 
 

His moves in 2023 were Jack Flaherty who was basically worthless and Fuji who was so inconsistent that he’s not even pitching in the majors. Did I forget anyone?

He did little to help an offense that was struggling mightily in 2024. He gave a lot away this deadline. They got Eflin but most everything else was mediocre or worse. The Rogers deal was just horrible. And why was he shopping in the bargain bin pile. Rogers was a 4.5 ERA starter before the trade which really wasn’t an upgrade and he crapped the bed after he got here. 
 

I’m undecided over who I’d go after to replace Elias when the times comes.

Nobody put words in your mouth.  I asked you questions.  That you can't answer them should suggest to you how thought out our positions are.

1) The goal is the World Series.  What makes you think it isn't?

2)  That's the most generic statement possible that is impossible to analyze,

3) So Elfin, Burnes, Bradish, Cano, etc.  don't count because you don't want them to count.  But other than that, he's got a bad track record of trading..... .like what trade?  Are we all supposed to go insane and only evaluate one trade- the Rodgers trade- in the most hyperbolic terms necessary to justify our hyperbole?

4) So we judge him for hypothetical trades that we didn't make and can't even be analyzed?  LOL.

Flaherty was a worthless trade?  This is the same Flaherty that started Game 1 of the World Series this year, right?

Oh, so you just want to cry about Rodgers ad nauseum?  Cry ahead.

So you want to fire the most successful GM we've had since Pat Gillick but you haven't even thought about who'd you replace him with?  And wouldn't even bothered until he was fired?  You understand how stupid that is, right?

Edited 1 hour ago by Pickles