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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
Yea and you used the Tatis for Shields trade as an example of trading a small piece for a stopgap.
NO ONE is suggesting bringing in 2016 James Shields.
Well, of course no one is suggesting trading for a pitcher who will perform badly in exchange for a prospect who will far outrstrip expectations.
That's the beauty of hindsight.
What is being advocated is prospects for "stopgap" pitchers.
I'm pointing out the downside in that.
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
That’s not the question I asked.
I would criticize it under that very explicit reasoning.
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
You would bash a Kevin Smith for Zach Davies deal?
If they wanted Davies, they should have signed him to a FA contract six weeks ago.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Why not?
At some point you have to identify which ones are worth keeping and discard the rest. You can't give them all at bats indefinitely.
As some point you have to be willing to risk losing a trade.
For the record I'm not strongly advocating to make a move at this point. Obviously I'd much rather promote players than bring in outside guys. But as a matter of practice, you can't be scared to trade a fringe guy because he might pan out.
Obviously, I'm not advocating never making trades or never trading prospects.
Let's keep these things in context.
I'm specifically criticizing the idea of the Orioles right now trading a prospect for a stopgap pitcher.
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
It depends on the player. Do they help the younger players? Are they signed for an additional year? A stop gap is someone not here long term. To me, that could be someone signed through next year.
There are plenty of situations out there where making moves to make the team better now is absolutely the right thing to do.
Don’t worry, I’m sure if Elias did just this, you would praise him for it.
No, rest assured, if Elias starts trading prospects for stopgaps I'll criticize him for it.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
You know what baseball history is littered with?
Guys that maybe might could be MLB players if things work out right.
Beyond littered.
You can't keep all of them like a hoarder does old newspapers.
Nor do you trade them for stopgaps to get to 64 wins.
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Just now, Sports Guy said:
History is also littered with trading prospects who were hyped who never did anything for players who played a major part in a teams winning.
But you aren’t mentioning those deals.
And yes, you do stupid and moronic better than anyone.
Major parts in teams winning 64 games?
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Tatis got a 700K bonus when he signed. He was a ranked prospect at the time of the trade.
I don't think he counted as a small piece. I also think that Shields was seen as being better than a stopgap.
I don't believe he was a global top 100 prospect at the time of the trade.
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
Obviously one example is a reason not make trades.
Obviously, the history of baseball is littered with far more than one example where a "small piece" or an "insignificant" prospect far overachieved their prospect status.
It's why trading prospects for stopgaps to get that magical 64th win is a stupid, moronic, very idiotic proposition. Am I doing it right?
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56 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:
If we have the number 1 minor league system, we can certainly spare a small piece for a stopgap SP.
Tatis Jr. was a small piece for a stopgap SP.
How'd that work out?
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The changeup was a real weapon.
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Bullpen was great last night. Had a real 2012 vibe to it.
Going forward, we'll see. I believe I started a thread, or participated in one last year, around the end of April and I was effusive in my praise for them.
They immediately wilted under the pressure of having to carry an awful starting staff.
So far though there's a lot to like.
BTW, there was speculation about Tate after his last appearance and that should be put to bed now. His velo was fine last night.
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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:
Yeah, but he should know who’s out there. By the way, I wouldn’t say it wasn’t even close. It was close, but he clearly was out. Nice throw and nice catch and tag.
It was definitely close.
Great throw and probably better tag were the only reason he was out.
However, you can't make an out there.
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1 hour ago, spiritof66 said:
Hyde says "You see a lot of teams doing that now." Some day, I'd like to hear about a strategy or idea that the Orioles had before other teams. Something that would give them a competitive advantage, rather than just prevent them from falling further behind.
That would kinda be the thing they would keep proprietary, no?
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This is a real bummer.
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14 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Or the fact that it's been four games.
He's been fine, all you could reasonably expect. Not sure if he's going to hold up for 100 games.
Let's hope we only need about half that.
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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
No I get it. I’m just saying the larger social media presence may bring the respect to your work that it should get.
This is the sad truth of the matter.
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Can we sign up for it every time?
He looked good.
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Wow. What a breathe of fresh air this guy has been.
Praising a man by criticizing another is the poorest compliment possible, but when he broke down and blocked a breaking ball in the dirt, even without any baserunners the other day, I had to smile and think about his predecessor. He's also been active with the pitchers and clearly communicative and engaged. Likewise, a welcome difference.
I always liked him in Texas. I realize he's 38 years old, but for what is hopefully his role- ~45 games behind the plate- he should help this team.
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I actually kind of like it, aesthetically.
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I don't know if I would go that far.
The broadcast guys did comment on it, and even said they were surprised there wasn't a mound visit.
It's worth following, though there was also talk that Tate had looked to sacrifice velocity to gain movement in winter work.
Let's hope it's that.
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Just now, Sports Guy said:
Well, if that’s what the opinion is….
The "opinion" of having Hall throw 12 innings at AA? Instead of going..... where was it again.... straight to AAA or MLB?
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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Ehh, none of this matters. All that matters is Elias knows more than you and we should just be good with everything he does.
No, we should call every sliver of a different opinion, "moronic," "stupid," and "idiotic."
That's how we show our intellectual superiority.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
I do think it's stupid to start him at Bowie.
Why not give him innings with the ML ball and against a higher level of competition?
What's he going to learn in a return to AA?
I mean... you're talking about probably a handful of appearances at most.
He's going to pitch again for the first time in a year. That's what he's going to "learn."
The RISP thread, 2022
in Orioles Talk
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Thank God! Odor, of all people, with the big hit.