Pickles
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1 minute ago, interloper said:
Absolutely no problem with these moves. People get so bent out of shape, it's silly.
I think sports' fandom, and the internet at large, is basically a portal to complain for a certain segment of the population.
No matter what the O's do, a segment of the posters here are going to slam them for it. That's just what they do.
And people can point to the O's atrocious performance the last few years as if that explains it, but the fact is, people were slamming them when they were doing every possible thing to maximize wins at the ML level, and won the most games in the AL over a 5 year period. Ironically, it's often the same people.
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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
You don’t need to be terrible to improve the intl efforts. They literally have nothing to do with each other.
Nobody said they did.
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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
It absolutely is hubris. He’s essentially saying, “these guys I’m selecting are going to be great and our development system is so strong that we will be able to build a competitive club completely on our own. I can get this organization to 75-81 wins without spending a meaningful dime in free agency.”
Alright, Harvard guy. Let’s see it happen.
I don't think you know what hubris means.
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26 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:
All this talk about Tate's velocity "increase" and in the only statcast game of the spring we've seen him in he was down about 2 MPH from last year.
Glad to see him putting in the work to get better though. He needs to be more consistent.
I'm curious about this as well.
He was 98 last summer.
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16 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:
It can be easily read that way because that’s what the writer wrote.
Santander may find by lessening his load it’s easier to avoid the injuries.
It's poorly written, but I think my interpretation is more likely than he is injured or recovering from injury.
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49 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I read it as he isn't fully recovered from last season.
I think it was very sloppily written.
I think it can be easily read as he's up to 90% speed for the start of the season. Which would be pretty normal imo, a few weeks out, injuries or no.
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Feel bad for the kid. Hopefully, he can healthy and get some good ABs this year.
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15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I'm not sure Elias knows the object of the game is to win. He might think the game is just about the draft.
That big fat ring on his finger suggests he knows more about it than you.
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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:
If my math is good (I had to try this several times), the O’s are 2007-2357 (.460) under the Angelos regime. They were 3376-2962 (.533) under everyone else before PA took over.
Just curious: Is that .533 from 54-92? Or does it count the Browns or previous manifestations of the Orioles?
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
Again, the pain has happened and should have happened. You have the elite farm system and it’s adding a lot more in June.
You don’t need to keep being terrible anymore.
If the team, in 2019, tries to win 70-75 games, ignored the long term, etc..that would have been stupid. That’s what they did in the 2000s. But now you have that foundation you wanted and got.
Time to stop being pathetic.
If we have the foundation we want and need, then we won't be pathetic for long.
If we're still pathetic, then no, we don't have the foundation we want or need.
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1 minute ago, Frobby said:
I’m not too good at differentiating the different types of change ups.
Well something that should be apparent about Means' changeup is that he pitches up with it.
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36 minutes ago, Frobby said:
Your math is way off. He’ll earn the minimum at 24-26. He’s not earning the minimum at 27 unless we keep him down until June this year. Even if we do, there’s the risk that he finishes in the top 2 for RoY and is in arbitration at 27 anyway.
Ok, I poorly remember yours and Tony's conversation from the other day. I should say we have him for peanuts up til his 28th year. (And yes, I'm assuming the setback allows us to do exactly that. Perhaps I am pessimistic.)
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17 minutes ago, Frobby said:
Moyer? Buehrle? Santana? Liriano?
I thought of Moyer but I considered his change more of a circle change w fade.
I remember Santana's more as a split w drop.
I recall Liriano as a young flamethrower with a great breaking ball.
Buehrle is a pretty good comp.
These are of course just my personal remembrances.
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Just now, owknows said:
Of course. In the end I was speaking of the concept of early extension in general.
Some teams have considered it worth the risk, and there are a few notable examples in the recent past of players accepting deals that most consider EXTREMELY beneficial to the team... because they want the money now.
As a general rule, I think you're right about extensions.
However, specifically, we're talking about a catcher who we can pay peanuts until he's almost 30.
How much do we need/want to extend him?
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The O's- Jays game will be broadcast tomorrow. PM me for a link.
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Just now, Just Regular said:
Just podcast word of mouth, but Eno Sarris mentioned today Dillon Tate was up to 95-96 at Driveline.
Everyone should get an inning at some point in the next few days if the radar gun has anything to tell.
That shouldn't be surprising.
Tate was up to 98 last summer. I know his results weren't great, but he consistently got rave reviews from visiting announcing crews.
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8 minutes ago, owknows said:
If you think he'll worth keeping long term, you amortize the league min control years into a discounted four years after that.
Sign him for 8, at a substantial discount.
If he wants to live the good life now and offset his risk... he'll take it. Some players do, as we've learned recently.
And of course the risk to the O's, is that he'd get hurt.
All in all. probably a risk worth taking
Well, without specific numbers, I can't agree that it's a risk worth taking, as we haven't even quantified what the risk is.
He's a catcher we can basically pay league minimum for through his 28th year. To start guaranteeing him tens of millions of dollars to get his 29+ years is extraordinarily risky.
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12 minutes ago, owknows said:
If you can lock him up for a discount, it makes pretty good sense to me.
I mean you can pay the league minimum the next four years. How much of a discount is really there?
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3 hours ago, Il BuonO said:
Obviously, it doesn't. I am not exactly impressed with his stuff except for the CH, which if he doesn't have, makes him mediocre. As always, I'll be happy if he proves me wrong and continues with the production you noted.
His stuff isn't great w/o the change. The fastballs average, maybe a tick above; the breaking ball is below average; the command is good though.
However, that changeup, when it's going, may well be the best straight change I've seen from LHP in my lifetime. That feels hyperbolic, and perhaps it is, but I honestly can't remember a better one.
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11 minutes ago, Mooreisbetter27 said:
If he is to believed, working on an Adley extension as well.
I don't believe it, frankly.
A contract extension for Adley doesn't even really make any sense.
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Even with his low innings, Means has averaged like 4 WAR a season the last three years- prorating the shortened season.
I'm not sure where that qualifies as a "back of the rotation guy."
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11 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:
You do remember that one of the longest threads of the 2014 season (reference: 96 wins, division title) was arguing about whether they should completely tear it down in June, sell everyone at the deadline, and try to reload the right way for 2018 or 2020 or whatever? 2013 was the team's second best record this century up to that point and the universal mood here that entire year was Why Does God Hate Us?!?
Oh, I remember well.
The best Orioles team of the century had about half the fan base screaming for a tear down and a rebuild.
Well, here we are.
And half the fan base is screaming for mediocre FAs to "compete" for 72 wins.
The moral of the story: People are very, very stupid.
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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
I’m just making the general point. KC has actually made a lot of questionable signings and this is another one.
That being said, they brought up their top pitching prospect last year. Witt will be up soon if not immediately. They are trying to add some vets around these guys to try and start winning some games.
I don’t personally agree with the players but I agree with the principle behind it.
That said, I also didn’t like Greinke in our division and our park. He makes more sense in a crappy division and better pitchers park.
Uh, the specific players are kind of the important part of that whole player acquisition thing.
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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I'm inclined to agree with you since SG isn't criticizing the O's for not signing Grienke.
He's mocking the Orioles using the signing of Grienke as a cudgel- despite two days ago calling the idea of signing Grienke "moronic." Or "idiotic." Or one of his other two adjectives.
Maybe you could explain it. You're obviously very, very smart.
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