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Honest question. Do you think they would have continued the pace they were on in 2020? I think the team was flagging badly down the stretch and would have been finished as one of the two or three worst teams in baseball under a full season.

You left off the financial constraints put upon him by ownership. I of course don't buy the whole rapport thing is nearly as important as folks make it out to be. Money talks, if you are a 30 year old free agent or a 16 year old kid in the Dominican. It is just how they play the game down there, they don't want to start bidding wars.

That I agree with. Unless of course you have a run like Stewart did in Arizona. ?

Four years to "show improvement"? I don't think they get four years to "show improvement". Evidence of improvement should be coming way before draft #4.

His emphasis wasn't on building the farm system when he arrived. I mean they all say that of course but you have to work with what ownership wants. I don't think the point was arbitrary at all, they were last and now they are second best (by one metric). What he did previously doesn't change the idea that (by one metric) you can go from 30 to 2 quickly and without completely sacrificing the ML team. Y'all are judging Elias on a serious curve. I'm not at all suggesting he should be fired but he hasn't exactly been exceeding his peer group. I mean seriously four drafts to "show improvement"? Who gets that?

They made a larger jump despite not going into hard core tank mode. My point was that you don't have to collect top five picks for four to five years to build a farm system. Of course the Mariners were not under strict guidance to cut payroll at all costs.

And they didn't get to pick 1-1 and 1-2. Elias was basically handed the second best prospect in the game.

I mean they should win more than 25 games this year so that would be progress right?

Any team can go cold on offense or stop pitching in a short series.

Man, you're old.

Top 10 system from 2009-2010. Not sure how selective you are with "Good" but I think top third counts.

It *can* take fourteen years.

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The #2 ranking was for this season. Have you seen the current standings? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=mlb+standings#sie=lg;/g/11lfcnyhhs;4;/m/09p14;st;fp;1;; So yea, it's going OK for them so far. And yada, yada, yada rankings are not the be all end all. But it doesn't have to take 5 years of tanking to build a farm system.

Mariners went from 30th to second (BA) in I think three years. And they didn't have to lose 100 games to do it.

Bauer is trying so hard to be Grienke it's pure cringe.

The one positive for anyone going through that is that Grienke is out there.

Could Elias have picked Hobgood?

My ego isn't that big. I do not think I am at all qualified to be a ML GM.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=mancitr01&year=2019&t=b 1.044 .979 1.034 .916 .724 .636 .736 .996 .931 Yea, it was highest in the first but I'm not seeing a statistically significant difference.

Do you think that is an actual repeatable skill?

You think Hyde has anything to do with Sisco being on the team? You do know the roles of the Manager and GM right?

Not really? A lot of these guys were already here when Elias arrived. And of course you or I could have picked Adley 1-1.

Buck would sit him if he got close to the record.

Is he going to have enough guys on base?