Yardball85
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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
I love how Roch states it as common knowledge we were looking for a 2B. Since when has Roch or anyone from the Orioles mentioned anything about a 2B???
Was thinking this too. And, to no one's surprise, Roch did not break the story.
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2 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:
OK...I'm not getting this one. Maybe he's a utility guy that plays against RHP? Baffling...unless this is leading to some other moves.
$8M utility guy? I really hope not.
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2 minutes ago, Emory Eagle said:
I guess this is the lefty bat.
Still holding out hope for Brantley...
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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
He's like the Kyle Gibson of 2B/OF guys so it makes sense to me.
Could be some moves coming? Hays or Santander going somewhere?
Haha. that is a very good comparison actually.
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2 minutes ago, eddie83 said:
Obvious question is does this make someone available for trade. Have to see what comes out of this.
Right. Eight million a year you would have to assume he starts at second. He was decent on the Pirates, could be a good bounce back candidate. But you would think this means Urias gets traded, or Mateo gets traded and Gunnar goes to SS. Just a strange move for a team that seems hesitant to add players at positions they actually needed.
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I... I just don't get this team.
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17 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
This is my first week ever being this harsh with any critique.
Before the Winter Meetings, I was filled with excitement and enthusiasm. And ready to purchase season tickets.
I know my ranting is getting me nowhere as I know the Orioles don’t care/don’t listen to their fans.
But it really stings to see us (the Orioles) self sabotage like this.
I legitimately thought that we were headed for a dynasty of competing for pennants beginning next season. I was SUPER excited!
Now I’m left with the feeling of “why can’t we ever have nice things as O’s fans”? Why do they always have to find a way to screw it up?
Verlander plus one impactful starter or bat could have had us in the conversation of being major contenders. Now we are stuck with relying on hope and overperformance.
I just don’t understand.
I share your frustration. I think two things can be true at one time: Elias has done a great job building the farm and building this team into a contender, and ownership has done a piss poor, pathetic job at giving Elias the rope to supplement the major league roster via free agency.
The Angelos sons really seem to be a chip off the old, cheap, block.
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15 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
Why can't they just spend a little more on a BETTER PITCHER? It's not like their payroll is even remotely close to league average. This should not be so difficult.
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21 minutes ago, Slight Upward Arc said:
I expected liftoff when he promised fans that’d be the case after selling on the team last trade deadline. Instead we’re allegedly getting a slight upward arc, so far in the way of Kyle Gibson. There really is no defense for not trying to improve this teams chances this season. What Elias has told us is that they aren’t there yet. Again. So we’ll just keep waiting.
Yup.
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26 minutes ago, TopGunnar said:
Who did you guys expect the Orioles to sign this off-season? We’re just starting to see sunlight from a demo and gut rebuild. We were never going to give out 30 mill a year contracts. Guys like Wacha and Gibson are solid pieces to add for a season or 2.
Maybe the team is high on Wells, Bradish and Kremer.
Who did we expect them to sign? Better players to supplement the young core so they can win. Eovaldi would not take a $30M contract.
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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I don't think they should be using a year of Adley and Gunnar to see who pans out. That is what they should have been doing in the years leading up to this.
This. Exactly this.
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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Who knows. Elias may be in on Eovaldi as well. He may have been in on Bassitt and Syndergraad but they went elsewhere. Just because Elias wants them and even if he pays the most it does not mean the pitchers want to come to Baltimore.
These are fair points WC, and if Elias is pursuing them and making legitimate offers and they choose to go elsewhere, fine. But I would think the Orioles are more attractive for starting pitchers now, for all the reasons Gibson noted (up and coming team, Adley, Walltimore).
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5 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:
When you are working off the dollar store budget, you have to learn to make half measures work I guess.
Right. I am used to it as a fan, but it does not make it any less frustrating. If you want to make the team better via free agency--which you should be doing as well as drafting smart, making trades, etc.--then actually make the team better, don't bring in warm bodies who aren't an upgrade.
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If you are going to sign Wacha (which will probably cost $10-12M), just fork over 5-7M more for Eovaldi, who has higher upside and is better. I don't get this obsession with half measures.
Sorry, I know I am a broken record.
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3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:
Noah goes to a great team, great place to pitch. First class organization. 5th starter there.
Yup. Good move for Thor. They did a great job with Stripling, Heaney, Anderson. Wonder if the Orioles were in on him and he preferred LA, or if they just didn't want to match the Dodgers deal.
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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I didn't want him so I'm not going to act as if I'm upset they didn't sign him.
I didn't want him either, but it makes you wonder if the Orioles are actually trying to sign a pitcher, or if its just talk.
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One year deal. Fits the Orioles' desire of not wanting to commit to a pitcher for too long. Maybe they just weren't interested (even though they met with him via Zoom a few weeks ago) - will be interesting to see the number. My guess is 1 year 16M.
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40 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
How about 2 years / 30 million ?24 starts 158 innings…so he gives you 6 ip per start.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cuetojo01.shtml
Just sign Eovaldi already.
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2 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:
lol
Wait to see the contract, but overall I am fine with this. Just don't understand what we are actually doing, if the plan was to add a starter...
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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:
I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said here, and while there are differing levels of "doom and gloom" being discussed, I think you have to have concerns about ownership being willing to spend enough to keep up with the teams in the AL East.
The organization under Elias is on the right track from a drafting and development standpoint, but at some point you have to offset what you have with additional talent. Bassitt is the kind of pitcher the Orioles should have signed and the contract he got from the Blue Jays is something the Orioles SHOULD have been enabled to match or beat.
While I do believe Rodriguez is going to be very good and perhaps become a TOR, I also know he's going to be on a innings limit that will make it tough for him to stay in the rotation all year, even if he stays healthy. While Kremer, Wells, Bradish, and Voth all had their moments last year, when you look at the statcast information you start to have concerns a bit about long term success in the rotation for each of them at different levels. It's not that I don't like them, but they are 4th-5th type starters on good teams, but for now, they are 3-4-5.
I would have been very happy going into 2023 with Bassitt, Rodriguez, Gibson, Kremer and Bradish/Wells as the rotation.
Now, we currently have Gibson, Rodriguez, Kremer, Bradish, Voth/Hall which is ok, but there a lot of unknowns here.I'm hoping a trade can be made for a lefty starter and outside of Rodriguez, any of the pitchers mentioned would be available (though Hall would still take a lot to get) to make that happen.
Right.
The goal always has been-or should be-to have home grown players and supplement the team with free agency and trades once the team was ready to compete. The team is ready to compete, and the Orioles should be adding players to fill the final holes. It is frustrating that they do not seem motivated to do that.
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21 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Yep. I would guess Eovaldi gets 3 years at 17-20M per.
Id be pretty happy with that deal if I were the Os. There is no reason not to sign that. They may want a lefty starter but tough. There isn’t one out there unless you can find a trade that’s worth doing and you don’t need to force something just because of the arm the pitcher throws with.
By the AS break, you could have 2 lefty starters anyway, in Means and Hall.
Yup. I had some interest in Quintana for the price he got, now that ship has sailed, it should be about getting talent and upside. Eovaldi has both, even if he could also struggle during the deal. Not every contract has to be a Chris Davis mistake, despite what some people think on here. You can be smart in FA.
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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
We will see where this goes but these teams can just not be dumb and not offer him more than 5 years.
The gap is sizable because he wants 7/210 with very little history saying he deserves anything close to that.
My guess is more teams see him as 5/150 tops…which is quite frankly where he should be on the high end.
I agree. I would love Rodon, but seven years at that type of money for a pitcher with his injury history is nuts. Even 5 years is a bit worrisome.
I am still holding out hope the Orioles can snag Eovaldi on a three year deal once Rodon has signed.
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Agreed. Just remarkable how awful this team is at allocating resources in free agency.