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I just saw that. Are there any other teams pushing their guys that fast? I saw that Schanuel crushed 2 games and A ball and they sent him straight to AA where he hasn't looked overmatched. It worked for them with Neto, but I can't imagine this is a strategy that will be consistently optimal.

I'd agree that is a silly idea in general, but I do think it might have impacted whatever negotiations we had for Cease since the White Sox were completely content to keep him and they apparently got fixated on some top guys.

They used to have a solid MLB podcast, but dumped it.

Everyone is also ignoring that Verlander had a no-trade clause. We saw how that turned out for the Dodgers when they tried to make a move for E-Rod.

Why are we talking about Verlander? He wasn't a realistic option. Reports were that he only wanted to lift his no-trade clause for Houston and potentially LA.

Yes, which is why I said Flaherty makes us better.

I'm aware. I've watched all of his starts. He's clearly gassed. That is the point. We needed a 5th starter and Flaherty is better than Irvin, so this trade makes us better.

I really don't see how Flaherty doesn't make us better when you take Wells leaving the rotation into consideration.

You think Flaherty is worse than Irvin? Wild. This absolutely helps stabilize the rotation.

I don't love that we had to give up all 3, but I also don't think you're ever going to love what you have to pay at the deadline. That's kind of the point. We needed a starter. Flaherty should help. This is better than doing nothing.

Players are traded by organizations and return all the time. I have no idea why he would hard intense negative feelings when the organization is a completetely different place than it was when he was here. I'm sure he'd be excited to play on a winning team.

Our ownership would probably prefer that he opt out.

Seems like a great guy. Excited to see him have success. Side note: Cowser is definitely a plus-plus clubhouse guy. He's talking and having fun in every video I've ever seen of him.

I'm perfect at about a similar rate. I'm definitely not very good at it, but it's really satisfying to finally remember someone after thinking on it for a while.

He was only at 1% when I picked him.

You're completely disregarding that Law has always been high on Ortiz and is now the highest of anyone on Basallo. Maybe he isn't biased against the Os and instead actually gives his opinion? He liked Ortiz before his breakout and even before Elias had proven himself to be solid at drafting. He also releases his prospect rankings before the draft and tends to cling to his own evaluations longer than most. Do you think how he's viewed players has changed in the past simply because they were in our system? Which incredible prospects did we have prior to the Elias era that Law has missed on?

It didn't have to be same year, but it has happened. Ichiro did it in 01.

I think he's low on Mayo, but you're going to accuse him of bias against the Os when he's higher than everyone on Basallo and Ortiz? He's also gushed about the Orioles talent development and drafting in recent months (including blurbs in this posting). From looking at the comments on The Athletic - pretty much everyone thinks Law is biased against their team. Maybe he seemed biased about the Os in the past, because there wasn't much to actually be excited about. He's been plenty complimentary of our most recent wave of prospects. I also find the idea that he's too contrarian to be a bit funny. Do we really want everyone to just copy / paste the MLB Pipeline rankings? Also a lot of the rankings from different publications are composite rankings of their various contributors, so they look more aligned. Law's rankings are his own.

Yeah, and these articles are just random approximations. Mayer is very highly touted and if he was the centerpiece in an Ohtani trade it would certainly decrease the number of players the Sox would have to send. Maybe they'd send 1 or 2 other smaller pieces or maybe the Os would only send 4 players, but the framework makes sense.

He's a pre-arb middle reliever who has been "ok" this year despite recent struggles. He was solid last year in the same role. I'd be shocked if he wasn't on the team next year.

I'd love to hear the breakdown of why you think that would be a better move.

Baker isn't going anywhere.

He seems to really love starting hot at new levels. Hope that carries over when he eventually makes the show.

It's amusing how many people in this thread are terrified of major metropolitan areas.

We will eventually have to sell some of them though. Even if you just look at Henderson, Westburg, Ortiz and Norby. Will Holliday on the way too at least one of those guys will need to be moved.